RacoonQueen wrote: » Are you seriously comparing nursing home care with the care delivered in an acute hospital???? Nursing is an incredibly broad role. A nurse in a hospital could be working in anything from ICU/CCU/HDU to a day hospital or long term care, nursing home type of ward. A nurse working in ICU/CCU/HDU is constantly on the alert working with, caring for and monitoring patients. They are giving them medication. Washing them. Toileting them. Nurses on other hospital wards also do the washing, toileting, changing the beds and cleaning bedside. These are absolutely not tasks that are done solely by Health Care Assistants. There are simply not enough HCAs to cover this work. Hospitals could absolutely do with hiring more HCAs, the starting salary of a HCA is not far off what a nurse starts on - which is ridiculous. An endoscopy nurse will prep patients for endoscopy and then monitor and care for patients after their scope, they will also be delivering results of the scope to patients. Less heavy or stressful work on the whole than inpatient work but still a skilled role when it comes to the monitoring and care of patients who are coming around from sedation. A neo-natal ICU nurse will spend their entire day keeping incredibly ill babies alive and giving them a chance at life. Dunno about anyone here but if someone dedicated their working time to keeping a baby I had that was born at 28 weeks or with a serious illness alive I'd be forever grateful to the skills that person has that allowed them to do that. Nursing is a highly skilled job, right from the bottom up. Just because jobs x, y, z are hard and skilled too doesn't take away from what other people deserve for the work they do. It's a ridiculous argument.
speedboatchase wrote: » 158 TDs 55,000 nurses Yeah, it's pretty much the exact same cost to the taxpayer.
speedboatchase wrote: I don't care.
Wanderer78 wrote: » Not surprised, you might change your attitude when you end up in hospital at some stage
mad muffin wrote: » The nurses aren’t actually looking for a rise. They are looking for their promised pay restoration.
mad muffin wrote: » Soooooo… your point is? The nurses aren’t actually looking for a rise. They are looking for their promised pay restoration. Promised. Never delivered. Then they gave themselves not only a restoration but a rise. Like they’ve been doing such a bang up job. If they disappeared tomorrow, they would easily be replaced. As we can see, it hasn’t been easy to replace nurses.
speedboatchase wrote: It's not about who is more important, or who is an "angel on Earth". It's about walking away from agreed pay terms and setting off impossible knock-on demands across the whole PS just before Brexit hits. And I won't change my attitude on that either way - they are paid enough and they knew that when they previously agreed.
speedboatchase wrote: » Then let's hire more staff and keep salaries as they were agreed.
gctest50 wrote: » If an aircraft ( or train ) mech gets it wrong 300+ people could die
Wanderer78 wrote: » Ah you might get there eventually, might! We ve learned a lot since the crash, one important thing being, creating money is easy, but we haven't figured out how to equally distribute it, but causing rapid asset price inflation and forcing low wage inflation, probably isn't a good idea in the long term!
speedboatchase wrote: I'm glad someone else is worried about the ever-widening gap between the average public sector worker's salary and those in private sector propping them up.
CiarraiAbu2 wrote: » What is their average pay?
welltodo wrote: » hopefully but the way varadker is i'd say he'll cut their pay so they have to go to australia and then he'll bring in his own kind
fxotoole wrote: » Thirty-something Irish males?
4ensic15 wrote: » Varadkar is 40.
RacoonQueen wrote: » All health sector pay in herehttps://health.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Consolidated-Payscales-1-October-2018-PDF-version.pdf
gctest50 wrote: » Again - there is a bit missing out of your story What were the events leading up to that ? Why didn't she "see it coming" and in good time hurr durr, that's why they are in a psyche ward
The Hound Gone Wild wrote: » I'm sorry but that's about right for someone making close to 0 clinical decisions.
Twenty Grand wrote: » I'm sorry, what now?
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » They are looking for a rise. Pay restoration in law binding and happening anyway.
Mitch Connor wrote: » It isn't happening though. It has not happened. That is part of the reason for the strike - the government have ignored them cause they wouldn't strike previously
Goldengirl wrote: » While I don't agree with splitting into factions, nurse managers, assistant directors of nursing and Directors, are all paid on a different payscale to the regular staff nurse scale anyhow...so yes, a rise in pay for nurses does not mean a rise for these promotional grades, as the extra for experience and qualifications is meant to be built into their pay grade. However you can't expect nurses to take on a role where they have a major increase in responsibility , and have to have certain extra qualifications, if they are not going to earn more than the senior staff nurses working on their unit, can you? That is like the civil service trying o entice senior consultants from the private sector, but with less pay .
gctest50 wrote: » There is no they - SIPTU nurses are not striking Unlike filthy blackmailing INMO nurses
Teddy Daniels wrote: » I’m not saying the lower paid should get more of an increase,I’m saying they should get the same amount, they already have their pay increase structure this is supplemental and should be the same for all nurses accross the board. The argument is that nurses are leaving but it’s the one on lower wages that are leaving.
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