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Brexit Discussion Thread VI

johnnyskeleton

Hi folks, as Theresa May has won the vote of no confidence and we are heading into Brexit day early next year, I thought for the new thread people might give their summary of their views on Brexit to date before we get into the more day to day discussions.

So what do you think about what has happened so far? Who has come off well, who has come off badly?

Where do you think Brexit is going? What is going to be the likely impact on Ireland, Northern Ireland, the rest of the U.K. and the E.U. respectively?

Both this thread and the Mark V thread will remain open simultaneously for the next day or so and Mark V will be closed as it gets closer to the server busting 10,000 mark. Hopefully we can set down a solid foundation now for a top quality thread to come!

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hotmail.com

Itssoeasy wrote:

I know that some amendments were binding and some weren't. Was the Brady amendment binding on the government ?

Non binding.

Only changes proposed the government can become law. Same system here.

Itssoeasy

I know that some amendments were binding and some weren't. Was the Brady amendment binding on the government ?

Capt'n Midnight

So May has a mandate because of 8 out of 650 MP's voted for instead of against her. Strong and stable.

And it's based on finding an alternative to a Backstop that only applies if no alternative is found.

And the EU rejected it before and after the vote.

briany

Hurrache wrote: »

Ha ha
https://twitter.com/GuitarMoog/status/1090353396119494656?s=19

Like that scene in the Simpsons at the bachelor auction where Moe walks onto the stage, not even breaking stride, right into the rejects pen.

Sam Russell

hotmail.com wrote: »

The Medieval practices within the so called debates is completely ridiculous. Referring to each as the Right honourable etc. Is this democracy?

Have you seen the Swiss guards at the Vatican? That is real medieval.

10000maniacs

eagle eye wrote: »

You are wrong if there is a hard border.

Its about perception. It's the events that lead to a hard border that count, not the hard border itself. The UK Parliament have today ripped up the Good Friday agreement. Any hard border that comes out of what happened today in Parliament is solely down to The Tories, The DUP and certain elements of the Labour party.
It would be political suicide for Fine Gael and the EU to renege on the Good Friday Agreement in the next 59 days.

Itssoeasy

There is a certain Rolling Stones song in my head about getting what you need. The BBC radio talking heads later will be fun.

prawnsambo

I had thought at first that this proves that the agreement would get through the HoC without the backstop. But then I realised it proves nothing of the sort. Voting on a meaningless amendment that nobody realistically believes will achieve anything is not in the same league as voting for an agreement that they cannot unvote.

Ohmeha

Boris is on BBC saying the Brady Amendment is very specific without specifying anything what the amendment is about

Mr.Wemmick

This is so horribly depressing. When Yvette Cooper's amendment lost.. gutted.

Seth Brundle

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

We dont always get what we want......at some point reality has to kick in. Having grown up along the border in the 80s-90s I also dont want it, however its time to sort this problem out and to stop the UK taking the mick

By giving them exactly what they want?
Are you sure that you've thought this through fully?

lawred2

Nody wrote: »

What makes you think they give a damn? If anything DUP would bring out the band and serve tea and biscuits to the diggers as they think it will ensure they remain British.

They'd start painting the barriers blue red and white

Russman

I’m just listening to him now, saying the EU want a deal.........
This is going to get very messy and very embarrassing for some side and I don’t think it’s the EU.
Yet part of me still thinks they can’t be that stupid. It’s a truly bizarre situation.
Reeling in the Years in 10 years time will be interesting.

Stacksofwacks

hotmail.com wrote: »

The Medieval practices within the so called debates is completely ridiculous. Referring to each as the Right honourable etc. Is this democracy?

Its just a show to make themselves feel godlike

Nody

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

I wonder would diggers along the border errecting a solid construction between Northern Ireland and the Republic make London move a little faster??? Its wake up time for the DUP and WM

What makes you think they give a damn? If anything DUP would bring out the band and serve tea and biscuits to the diggers as they think it will ensure they remain British.

Irishmale0399

Seth Brundle wrote: »

How? That would suit their plans nicely.
We don't want a border of any kind!

We dont always get what we want......at some point reality has to kick in. Having grown up along the border in the 80s-90s I also dont want it, however its time to sort this problem out and to stop the UK taking the mick

Hurrache

Ha ha
https://twitter.com/GuitarMoog/status/1090353396119494656?s=19

Christy42

Russman wrote: »

So it looks like it’s a hard Brexit now, surely after all their strong statements of late, the EU can’t be seen to cave ?
Unless this is the point where the DUP go under the bus and the backstop is limited to NI and it passes with support from a few Labour MPs ?

Could the EU cave? We still don't know what Westminster wants. They seem to want a change to the backstop. What that is nobody has said. Just that something should definitely be done about the border.

Two months out and that something should definitely be done about the border is the best that they have managed...

BonnieSituation

Beth Rigby turning the screw on BoJo on Sky. It's delightful.

(I take back what I said earlier)

Seth Brundle

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

I wonder would diggers along the border errecting a solid construction between Northern Ireland and the Republic make London move a little faster??? Its wake up time for the DUP and WM

How? That would suit their plans nicely.
We don't want a border of any kind!

[Deleted User]

Beth Rigby to Boris Johnson on Sky News just now: "Just as she (May) rides off on her unicorn to Brussels". Brilliant.

Irishmale0399

I wonder would diggers along the border errecting a solid construction between Northern Ireland and the Republic make London move a little faster??? Its wake up time for the DUP and WM

ancapailldorcha

No more insults please.

Hurrache

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Next phase of the blame game has begun. May goes to Brussels with big smiles and warm words, pledging to battle for the British people.

Unless she's invited, or there's already scheduled talks, she's not going. Johnson being called out as deluded and laughed at by Beth on Sky News.

Synode

Ha Sky News reporter (can't remember her name) telling Boris "You lot are deluded"

dublinman1990

RTÉ is not leading with Brexit on the Nine O'Clock news. Leading with the nurses strike.

hotmail.com

Stacksofwacks wrote:

Westminster has shown itself to be totally unfit for purpose. Just a chamber full of little posh boys and girls who live in a bubble all their lives and got everything handed to them. When it comes to actually doing something tangible like doing a deal or agreeing on something they're totally incapable. sad really

The Medieval practices within the so called debates is completely ridiculous. Referring to each as the Right honourable etc. Is this democracy?

Strazdas

dublinman1990 wrote: »

According to the BBC; Donald Tusk is not budging on the backstop within the WA at all.

Very clear message there to TM & her government.

He'd be insane to. The Brexiteers are as divided as ever......changing the WA would be a recipe for disaster (Brexiteers would start kicking off again and demanding more concessions).

FrancieBrady

The delusion here of course is that they crash out and the British border in Ireland just goes away as an obstacle to them getting what they want.
When they come back for a deal (which they will have to have) the British border is still going to have to be sorted out within the terms of the current deal and the GFA.

Russman

So it looks like it’s a hard Brexit now, surely after all their strong statements of late, the EU can’t be seen to cave ?
Unless this is the point where the DUP go under the bus and the backstop is limited to NI and it passes with support from a few Labour MPs ?