B0jangles wrote: » I feel very badly for any remaining trans boards members, (if there even are any at this point, given the way things have been let go here). It must be soul-destroying to have your personal choice to live in a way that makes life bearable, maybe even wonderful, endlessly treated as a delusion and a threat.
B0jangles wrote: » You don't understand me correctly, have a reread and a little think and maybe it'll become clearermy point is that gender and sexuality are a lot more complex and variable than the MEN ARE MEN, WOMEN ARE WOMEN END OF DISCUSSION crowd would have us believe.
klaaaz wrote: » Yep, it's a small hostile place on the internet for transgender people. This place has quite a combination of radicals of different persuasions coming together with extreme often outdated views on people who are different to them, thankfully the hostiles are a small number and do not reflect the most people's views in Irish society.
One eyed Jack wrote: » Speak for yourself, I wouldn’t be as certain of that as you are.
You really do have it arseways. A person in that situation could be found guilty of rape or sexual assault assault. I never said I was certain that they would be.
As I said, their gender is irrelevant. It is the deception is the key factor which vitiates consent, as it did in this particular case -Man posed as stranger ‘to trick’ stepdaughter into having sex And as for your idea that the feelings of the victim are not taken into consideration -
LLMMLL wrote: » I'm 99.999999% certain. I'd say you're 98% certain. ... It really depends what you mean by could. ... Deception re identity. Not deception re GENDER identity. They are not the same thing. ... Your quote mentions breach of trust, not how the victim felt about it.....
One eyed Jack wrote: » And you claim you’re not just playing with words :pac:
Sittingpretty wrote: » Please explain how it is radical to believe that a trans woman/man does not and never will equate to a biological woman/man?
HSE, the medical professionals wrote: Some transgender people seek to have surgery to permanently alter their biological sex.
klaaaz wrote: » https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/az/g/gender-dysphoria/
Sittingpretty wrote: » If I was you in response to your links I’d link you to the dictionary definition of the word dysphoria. I wonder if you can answer this one without resorting to a link. In your opinion is it acceptable for a trans woman to engage in a sexual encounter with a heterosexual man without, at first, declaring that they were in fact born a man? And then, do you equate trans people with the biological men/women?
klaaaz wrote: » The opinion of medical professionals on medical stuff supercedes any ordinary person who has not had the qualifications. It's the reason we have hospitals, doctors, surgeons, nurses etc.
Gravelly wrote: » And medical perceived wisdom is never wrong. Lobotomies. Bloodletting. Electroconvulsive Therapy. Mercury Treatment. Tonsillectomy. Symphysiotomies. Insulin Shock Therapy.
klaaaz wrote: » The opinion of medical professionals on medical stuff supercedes any ordinary person who has not had the qualifications.
In answer to your question, the person was born a baby not a man.
Yes, I equate transgender people who have medically transitioned with biological men/women. That's the HSE guidance also as stated.
klaaaz wrote: » Alot of that was in the past decades ago. I'm talking about modern medicine, do you agree we should do away with the medical profession as they don't agree with you on transgender issues?
klaaaz wrote: » The opinion of medical professionals on medical stuff supercedes any ordinary person who has not had the qualifications. It's the reason we have hospitals, doctors, surgeons, nurses etc. As you disagree with this, there is always alternative medicine, perhaps traditional Chinese medicine the next time you have an ailment? In answer to your question, the person was born a baby not a man. And no, it's not acceptable, disclosure up front is good for all. Also if a man gets violent, he should be locked up away from the dating scene to protect all women, do you agree? Yes, I equate transgender people who have medically transitioned with biological men/women. That's the HSE guidance also as stated.
klaaaz wrote: » Yes, I equate transgender people who have medically transitioned with biological men/women. That's the HSE guidance also as stated.
ceadaoin. wrote: » Ok, off topic, but are tonsillectomies not a thing now? I had mine out as a kid, is something terrible going to happen to me?!
rgodard80a wrote: » Okay, let's ask doctors and nurses in a maternity hospital if they consider any transwoman to be equal to one of their patients.
klaaaz wrote: » Seems the objectors here should take the issue up with the top HSE endocrinologist in the country who deals with transgender people, he and a member of his team was on the Primetime program. It looks like that his medical professional qualifications are inferior to a bunch of boards posters here!
Zorya wrote: » Men who receive blood transfusions from a woman who has ever been pregnant have a significantly higher risk of death. This kind of awkward biological reality won't go away, and will be problematic if donors register as their adopted sex. The NHS will not call FtM transmen who are registered at their GPs as male for cervical smears or breast screening. This is the sort of incoherent response being shown by medical professionals.
ceadaoin. wrote: » Ok so if the HSE truly believe that people can change sex, do they offer cervical smear tests to trans women and prostate exams to trans men? Do they pretend that a trans man experiencing abdominal pain does not probably or possibly have female reproductive organs that may have various conditions that could be responsible for the pain? Pretty sure they don't because that would be a- a waste of time and money and b- medically negligent. That's just a couple of examples of how biology is actually relevant when it comes to medicine. People who have transitioned do not equate exactly to their biologically born counterparts, but what's wrong or offensive about that? It's reality
klaaaz wrote: » Seems the objectors here should take the issue up with the top HSE endocrinologist in the country who deals with transgender people!
Wibbs wrote: » Indeed, except on the thankfully rare occasions when some in the medical field have a collective brainfart and come out with nonsense. Stating that medical intervention can cause permanent gender change is a nonsense. A provable one. Except for rare cases of genetic faults or congenital conditions, babies are born male, or female. This is a biological fact. One may personally equate the two and good luck to you if you do BTW, but this does not mean science and biology agrees with you. It doesn't by the way. And so what if the HSE states this falsehood? Ten years ago the same HSE and likely the same people at the top would have said Transgender was a mental illness. They're 100% on the ball now, but were 100% not on the ball then? That's an idiotic "argument". To be honest I am getting a major pain in my arse with this increasing nonsense of self identifiers. It's bad enough when some groups come out with it, when some college kid decides he or she's a two spirit gender fluid or whatever(whatever gets you through the night I say), but when otherwise respected authorities do and when it all too often comes across as pandering and a current fashion that has the great potential to truly screw up people's lives that's a step too bloody far.
P_1 wrote: » Tbh W if someone wants to do that and it makes them happy, all at the same time not causing you any negative impact shouldn't live and let live apply?
Zorya wrote: » That would be fine if they didn't peddle lies about biology.
