B0jangles wrote: » I feel very badly for any remaining trans boards members, (if there even are any at this point, given the way things have been let go here). It must be soul-destroying to have your personal choice to live in a way that makes life bearable, maybe even wonderful, endlessly treated as a delusion and a threat.
klaaaz wrote: » Seems the objectors here should take the issue up with the top HSE endocrinologist in the country who deals with transgender people, he and a member of his team was on the Primetime program. It looks like that his medical professional qualifications are inferior to a bunch of boards posters here!
Zorya wrote: » Tell that to the ideologues in Mermaids being consulted regarding primary school curriculums in the UK
The country’s leading doctor who helps transgender people change their sex is now supporting three patients who regret having surgery. Professor Donal O’Shea has told Extra.ie that their trauma highlights the need for proper support and resources to prevent post-operative remorse. This country has a high rate of adults who regret treatment, he said. Sixty adults have travelled abroad for sex-change operations since 2012, according to the HSE, and we can reveal that 40 Irish teenagers who have questioned their gender identity are getting treatment in the UK — a five-fold increase in four years, according to the British Clinic that treats them. Meanwhile, two of the three people who Prof O’Shea is helping to deal with post-op regret are going through the ordeal of reversing their sex-change. Prof O’Shea, consultant endocrinologist at St Vincent’s and St Columcille’s Hospitals in Dublin, said that while data is difficult to compile, he believes the level of regret in Ireland is higher than it is internationally. While some transgender support groups do not wish to highlight the number of people who suffer from post-operative regret, Prof O’Shea believes it is important that people be made aware. He said three transgender people have died by suicide in the past five years, two had surgery and one was on hormone therapy.
ceadaoin. wrote: » And police how others are allowed to refer to themselves. We can't be women anymore, but "cis" women. If talking about periods we can't be women then either but "menstruators" or even worse, "bleeders". Not pregnant women or mothers but "pregnant people". Even the dictionary definition of "woman" is offensive now. Seems like they really just have a problem with the word "woman" and the people of that class being able to define themselves and speak about issues that effect them and only them. Oh and by they I'm referring to the extremely vocal minority of extreme transactivists, not all trans people
P_1 wrote: » I'm a big believer in letting people make their own minds up about something. Shouting one side of the argument at the other side just isn't going to do anyone any good bar people who sell headache tablets
Zorya wrote: » That would be fine if they didn't peddle lies about biology.
P_1 wrote: » Tbh W if someone wants to do that and it makes them happy, all at the same time not causing you any negative impact shouldn't live and let live apply?
Wibbs wrote: » Indeed, except on the thankfully rare occasions when some in the medical field have a collective brainfart and come out with nonsense. Stating that medical intervention can cause permanent gender change is a nonsense. A provable one. Except for rare cases of genetic faults or congenital conditions, babies are born male, or female. This is a biological fact. One may personally equate the two and good luck to you if you do BTW, but this does not mean science and biology agrees with you. It doesn't by the way. And so what if the HSE states this falsehood? Ten years ago the same HSE and likely the same people at the top would have said Transgender was a mental illness. They're 100% on the ball now, but were 100% not on the ball then? That's an idiotic "argument". To be honest I am getting a major pain in my arse with this increasing nonsense of self identifiers. It's bad enough when some groups come out with it, when some college kid decides he or she's a two spirit gender fluid or whatever(whatever gets you through the night I say), but when otherwise respected authorities do and when it all too often comes across as pandering and a current fashion that has the great potential to truly screw up people's lives that's a step too bloody far.
klaaaz wrote: » Seems the objectors here should take the issue up with the top HSE endocrinologist in the country who deals with transgender people!
Zorya wrote: » Men who receive blood transfusions from a woman who has ever been pregnant have a significantly higher risk of death. This kind of awkward biological reality won't go away, and will be problematic if donors register as their adopted sex. The NHS will not call FtM transmen who are registered at their GPs as male for cervical smears or breast screening. This is the sort of incoherent response being shown by medical professionals.
ceadaoin. wrote: » Ok so if the HSE truly believe that people can change sex, do they offer cervical smear tests to trans women and prostate exams to trans men? Do they pretend that a trans man experiencing abdominal pain does not probably or possibly have female reproductive organs that may have various conditions that could be responsible for the pain? Pretty sure they don't because that would be a- a waste of time and money and b- medically negligent. That's just a couple of examples of how biology is actually relevant when it comes to medicine. People who have transitioned do not equate exactly to their biologically born counterparts, but what's wrong or offensive about that? It's reality
rgodard80a wrote: » Okay, let's ask doctors and nurses in a maternity hospital if they consider any transwoman to be equal to one of their patients.
klaaaz wrote: » The opinion of medical professionals on medical stuff supercedes any ordinary person who has not had the qualifications. It's the reason we have hospitals, doctors, surgeons, nurses etc.
ceadaoin. wrote: » Ok, off topic, but are tonsillectomies not a thing now? I had mine out as a kid, is something terrible going to happen to me?!
Gravelly wrote: » And medical perceived wisdom is never wrong. Lobotomies. Bloodletting. Electroconvulsive Therapy. Mercury Treatment. Tonsillectomy. Symphysiotomies. Insulin Shock Therapy.
klaaaz wrote: » Alot of that was in the past decades ago. I'm talking about modern medicine, do you agree we should do away with the medical profession as they don't agree with you on transgender issues?
klaaaz wrote: » Yes, I equate transgender people who have medically transitioned with biological men/women. That's the HSE guidance also as stated.
klaaaz wrote: » The opinion of medical professionals on medical stuff supercedes any ordinary person who has not had the qualifications. It's the reason we have hospitals, doctors, surgeons, nurses etc. As you disagree with this, there is always alternative medicine, perhaps traditional Chinese medicine the next time you have an ailment? In answer to your question, the person was born a baby not a man. And no, it's not acceptable, disclosure up front is good for all. Also if a man gets violent, he should be locked up away from the dating scene to protect all women, do you agree? Yes, I equate transgender people who have medically transitioned with biological men/women. That's the HSE guidance also as stated.
klaaaz wrote: » The opinion of medical professionals on medical stuff supercedes any ordinary person who has not had the qualifications.
In answer to your question, the person was born a baby not a man.
Yes, I equate transgender people who have medically transitioned with biological men/women. That's the HSE guidance also as stated.
Sittingpretty wrote: » If I was you in response to your links I’d link you to the dictionary definition of the word dysphoria. I wonder if you can answer this one without resorting to a link. In your opinion is it acceptable for a trans woman to engage in a sexual encounter with a heterosexual man without, at first, declaring that they were in fact born a man? And then, do you equate trans people with the biological men/women?
