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Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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seligehgit

yop wrote: »

Will be plenty of lads with the flu after last night!

Still a good win, hard to gauge how a game will go when you can barely solo due to the conditions, if it was that bad a couple of hours earlier then they could have cancelled it. Great turnout by the fans considering.

Win is a win. Hard to gauge any performances when you consider the conditions. Thought Doc and Reape had really good game. AOS played well, took dogs abuse as always. Andy had zero affect when he came on, harsh on Boland.
Defence was tight enough, Hennelly up to his usual mistakes.
The CCC should be reviewing that incident and given that lad a few months on the sideline, that said we have been here before and nothing happened.

Tyrone will be a tough ask next week.

Most especially after their loss today down in the kingdom.

yop

seligehgit wrote: »

Most especially after their loss today down in the kingdom.

Big win for Kerry that, young team. We have a decent record up in Tyrone though, so who knows what will happen.

Kalyke

Attempted head butt my hole! It takes a special kind of low life to eye gouge anyone, in any situation. The reaction was measured in my opinion. Me,I would have clattered him!

Squatman

A couple of points.
Hennelly should have put the last nail in his coffin with that fudge up last night. His kickouts were very powerful into the wind, but i think he costs us more than he saves us.

Re the eye gouge. I think people should move on, it was a heat of the moment thing, and i dont think he should be tarnished a scumbag for the rest of his life over it.... if u compare it to donnehy getting gouged a few years back, it wasnt near as bad. I certainly wouldnt like to see him miss any games over it.

Key for mayo is to try out new players in the first half, and then bring in the heavies in the 2nd half to try and retain division 1 status. ( and give up on the hennelly experiment)

Fann Linn

Its either an eye gouge or its not. And the penalty for same should apply if everything is to be applied equally.

seligehgit

Squatman wrote: »

A couple of points.
Hennelly should have put the last nail in his coffin with that fudge up last night. His kickouts were very powerful into the wind, but i think he costs us more than he saves us.

Re the eye gouge. I think people should move on, it was a heat of the moment thing, and i dont think he should be tarnished a scumbag for the rest of his life over it.... if u compare it to donnehy getting gouged a few years back, it wasnt near as bad. I certainly wouldnt like to see him miss any games over it.

Key for mayo is to try out new players in the first half, and then bring in the heavies in the 2nd half to try and retain division 1 status. ( and give up on the hennelly experiment)

It's only when David Clarke is missing does one realise how much we miss him.

There's no doubting his kickouts are a weakness but with no other alternative outside of Robert Hennelly been given game time.

David Clarke is by some distance our number one goalkeeper.

km79

seligehgit wrote: »

It's only when David Clarke is missing does one realise how much we miss him.

There's no doubting his kickouts are a weakness but with no other alternative outside of Robert Hennelly been given game time.

David Clarke is by some distance our number one goalkeeper.

But why is he missing ?
Horan has shown I the past he is a stubborn man who seems unwilling to take on board views opposing to his own
I am worried he actually sees Hennelly as his number one having previously done so..........I am also worried that once again he made absolutely no attempt to lock down the edge of the square when the game was won and all Roscommon had were hail Mary's into the square against the breeze. Everyone there cold feel a goal coming .
And yet he did nothing to counteract it.Again.
Drop AOS back for the few minutes maybe ?
Try something . Learn from your mistakes.
Rochford was widely criticized for many things here and elsewhere but he wasn't afraid to try things .

Anyway there are warning signs there for me already that Horan is just gonna repeat a lot of the same mistakes which is frustrating

yop

km79 wrote: »

But why is he missing ?
Horan has shown I the past he is a stubborn man who seems unwilling to take on board views opposing to his own
I am worried he actually sees Hennelly as his number one having previously done so..........I am also worried that once again he made absolutely no attempt to lock down the edge of the square when the game was won and all Roscommon had were hail Mary's into the square against the breeze. Everyone there cold feel a goal coming .
And yet he did nothing to counteract it.Again.
Drop AOS back for the few minutes maybe ?
Try something . Learn from your mistakes.
Rochford was widely criticized for many things here and elsewhere but he wasn't afraid to try things .

Anyway there are warning signs there for me already that Horan is just gonna repeat a lot of the same mistakes which is frustrating

Think my views and experience with hennelly will never change, so I'll not sound like a broken record
Clarke injured?

And Horan already has me head scratching, some of the decisions are like going back 5 years. But listen we won so let's take it to next Sunday and see.

wirelessdude01

yop wrote:

Clarke injured?

Definitely not, going by the warmup routine both Hennelly and himself went through before the game.

wirelessdude01

yop wrote:

And Horan already has me head scratching, some of the decisions are like going back 5 years. But listen we won so let's take it to next Sunday and see.

Which ones?

Squatman

km79 wrote: »

But why is he missing ?
Horan has shown I the past he is a stubborn man who seems unwilling to take on board views opposing to his own
I am worried he actually sees Hennelly as his number one having previously done so..........I am also worried that once again he made absolutely no attempt to lock down the edge of the square when the game was won and all Roscommon had were hail Mary's into the square against the breeze. Everyone there cold feel a goal coming .
And yet he did nothing to counteract it.Again.
Drop AOS back for the few minutes maybe ?
Try something . Learn from your mistakes.
Rochford was widely criticized for many things here and elsewhere but he wasn't afraid to try things .

Anyway there are warning signs there for me already that Horan is just gonna repeat a lot of the same mistakes which is frustrating

Rob is 5/6 years younger and so has more longeivity left. Hes getting game time now to keep him on reserve (why wud he stay around if he cant get game time in the league?) But for next games we should be trying reserve goalkeeper #2..
Also, lest i forget, evan regans attempt at a free was abismal. And that needs addressing.... he hasnt improved in 3 years. (Might still turn right, but couldnt even get the ball off the ground ffs)

yop

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Definitely not, going by the warmup routine both Hennelly and himself went through before the game.

Sorry I didn't pick him out, I thought it was slingerman through the sheets of rain.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Which ones?

Andy Moran on at 1/2 time in the last 2 games. He slowed us down against Galway, he offered nothing last night.
Hennelly, as per above. V close not to be a penalty, caught out on high balls again last night.
Higgins in the FB line against Galway at the end, taking Drake off when he was playing well and we had the game under control.
Conor O'Shea against Galway, weakened the team, has had probably 6 years of chances, not going to do anything new, so has James not seen this?
Caff was tried and failed miserably, every man and his dog knows Caffs days are behind him.

He has done some good things too, but as I said, lets see from next Sunday what the shiny new JH brings.

yop

Cathal Crompton 10 steps for his point.... will that suffice to appease the whinging.....

BandMember

A few observations from last night....

Hennelly played himself off that team. The lad has learned absolutely nothing over the past 6 years. He either refuses to or is unwilling or unable to change. How many of his kickouts went straight over the sideline? How many kickouts of his were lost? Against what was a monumental wind in the first half, he kept bombing straight upwards at a crazy angle which resulted in either the wind taking them out of play or to a Rossie. They just hung in the air and then dropped like a stone. Yet he kept doing it time after time. The guy has zero game intelligence. The sideline must also take some blame for not sending him a message to change his strategy. His attempt at soloing at the edge of the square was crazy and could have resulted in a goal. Speaking of which, he proved yet again why Clarke is our Number 1 - made an absolute mess for the Roscommon goal. Like others here, I am worried that Horan sees him as his first choice keeper. If that is true, then we'll have a lot of short summers ahead....

Boland and Regan. Not the night for players like that. They've had their chances before but they are neither big enough nor strong enough to make it at intercounty level. I would rather give other lads a shot at this stage. Like Conor O'Shea, they've had more than their fair share of chances and haven't shown that they are up to it. Time to thank them and send them back to their clubs. I would question though why one of the backroom team ran on to tell Regan to take the frees off the ground when he nailed the first one from his hands. That ended in disaster!

Jason Doc was MOTM. He is crucial for us and I expect big things from him this year. Horan always managed to get the best out of him first time around, I would hope that he does the same again.

On the new guys, Reape deserves a full run the league. He showed well and took his scores when he got the chance. He could be the one that breaks through the monopoly of the same old faces in the front six for the summer. Diskin is very raw but deserves persisting with to see if there is potential there to be worked on and improved.

Where were the likes of Seamie O'Shea, Conor Loftus and Ciaran Treacy? Not even on the bench last night. I would also hope that likes of Oisin McLoughlin and McDonagh get some meaningful game time in the league.

Posters here have mentioned Horan. It's early days yet and you can't change everything overnight, but I would see some of the same old failures as last time around in evidence so far - reliance on the same old faces, inability to make changes/switches in-game, stubbornness to listen and/or change. I thought he might have learned from his mistakes last time and gained some insight while doing his punditry and club gigs. Time will tell, but there are warning signs there. I really hope that I am wrong though.

Shine definitely went for the eye gouge. A despicable act and one which deserves a lengthy ban.

All in all, a very tough game to get through in those conditions but to get two points was a great start. Cavan will targeted for 2 points, get another two and we're safe. That's all that matters (along with blooding some new faces). Next Sunday in hopefully better conditions will tell where we're at for the moment. Roll on Round 2....

Always_Running

yop wrote: »

Cathal Crompton 10 steps for his point.... will that suffice to appease the whinging.....

He's not Cathal nor Crompton.

Audioslaven

Where is James Durcan? Is he injured?

yop

Always_Running wrote: »

He's not Cathal nor Crompton.

Colin Compton, I'm not an avid follower of Roscommon football, my apologise.

PARlance

yop wrote: »

Colin Compton, I'm not an avid follower of Roscommon football, my apologise.

They'll have a different 15 next year anyway. Impossible to keep up.

seligehgit

Joe McQuillan is the referee next Sunday.

Fann Linn

seligehgit wrote: »

Joe McQuillan is the referee next Sunday.

We could've done with him yesterday!!!

NabyLadistheman

1-2 came directly from Hennellys kick-outs last night in the second half. I don't see Clarke booting them past midfield even with that wind. If he could sort the nerves out he could be an option. Clarke is not going to be around forever and maybe Horan is looking to the future.

Blackjack

Suarezistheman wrote: »

1-2 came directly from Hennellys kick-outs last night in the second half. I don't see Clarke booting them past midfield even with that wind. If he could sort the nerves out he could be an option. Clarke is not going to be around forever and maybe Horan is looking to the future.

Doesn’t matter how many scores we get from the kick outs as that is the type of stat that will continually be ignored.

NabyLadistheman

Blackjack wrote: »

Doesn’t matter how many scores we get from the kick outs as that is the type of stat that will continually be ignored.

It won't be ignored by anybody involved in the management team that is for sure. Hennelly atm is the only viable alternative to Clarke who is 35. He needs game time

Blackjack

Suarezistheman wrote: »

It won't be ignored by anybody involved in the management team that is for sure. Hennelly atm is the only viable alternative to Clarke who is 35. He needs game time

I agree entirely. There are large swathes of commentators that will ignore those numbers Sadly.

Gally05

Suarezistheman wrote: »

It won't be ignored by anybody involved in the management team that is for sure. Hennelly atm is the only viable alternative to Clarke who is 35. He needs game time

don't know why they are not looking at Paddy O Malley from Westport.

Done very well the last few year at underage ..

km79

Suarezistheman wrote: »

. Clarke is not going to be around forever and maybe Horan is looking to the future.

This is my entire point
He isnt!!!!

So what we are saying is if Clarke retires Robert Hennelly is the only keeper in the county capable of taking over??????
He has shown he probably isn't so why not use just even the FBD to try someoen else?
Rochford bashed for not giving new blood a chance and for the first 3 games of Horans new reign it is Back to the Future in goals

km79

Blackjack wrote: »

Doesn’t matter how many scores we get from the kick outs as that is the type of stat that will continually be ignored.

It doesn't matter how many scored we get from kickouts if every time a high ball goes into our square we look like conceding a goal.
Primary job - keep the ball out of the net

We seemed to do alright with Clarke in goals the last few years.
If it is a case that Hennelly is preferred and is not just getting gametime then it is absolutely madness

Blackjack

km79 wrote: »

It doesn't matter how many scored we get from kickouts if every time a high ball goes into our square we look like conceding a goal.
Primary job - keep the ball out of the net

We seemed to do alright with Clarke in goals the last few years.
If it is a case that Hennelly is preferred and is not just getting gametime then it is absolutely madness

I really don’t want to be getting into the Clarke v Hennelly thing again. He’s a better shot stopper but I’m not sure Clarke is all that much better under the high ball and if something goes wrong he gets a free pass and Cafferkey gets blamed. I’m thinking back to a game against Derry (I think) As an example.
Clarke’s not getting any younger and last I heard he was injured. I’d like to see Schlingerman get a go but he’s not long back from playing Soccer so not sure he’s ready yet.
Hennelly is the best at the kick outs from what I’ve seen - it’s an area Clarke improved on but is still behind Hennelly on.
My preference would be for Clarke in goals as it happens but some credit has to be given to Hennelly where it’s due.

gigantic09

Conditions were so bad on the night, so maybe it's being too harsh on hennelly for the couple of handling errors (the soloing of course can't really be excused that easily ). Would be harsh to discard him on the back of Saturday.

PARlance

Horan's years in the media seemed to have paid off. Eir sports were billing it as Horan's new regime as one for giving youth a chance... and I'm fairly sure RTE was mentioning that too...

If he can manage that, maybe he really can get us an All Ireland.