Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » You really live war don’t you, provided it’s all happening in brown countries far enough away from you.
Gatling wrote: » Final figures were put at 600 dead russians , If you were American you would fancy the odds in firefight reminds me of jadotville
Dohnjoe wrote: » Can you explain how you characterise a whole nation and it's history as a person?
Spannerplank wrote: » I must commend the 40 Americans who killed 200 to 300 in a firefight and not a single American was harmed according to those reports.
Gatling wrote: » Basically American forces were dug in with Kurdish forces at an oil production area and 600-1000 Russians private contractors mounted a full on assault with heavy weapons and heavy armour ,but got aniliated in a few hours ,oddly enough Russia kept very quite about the situation and losses .https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.htmlhttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/battle-syria-us-russian-mercenaries-commandos-islamic-state-a8370781.htmlhttp://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/19335/american-general-in-syria-confirms-us-forces-killed-hundreds-of-russians-in-massive-battle
Spannerplank wrote: » The Americans never learn
ArchXStanton wrote: » The sad part is they do, too many amerika fcuk yeahhh movies as kids
Spannerplank wrote: » Well Libya was the Norway of Africa. Electricity was free, as was education and healthcare. Petrol was 10 cents a gallon and newlyweds were gifted £20,000 to get them started in their new lives. And this was all on the state and the oil wealth. So Libyans too were sorted for life until NATO wanted that oil and so wrecked the country and turned the richest and most stable African country into a graveyard.
Dinarius wrote: » This thread makes me laugh. How many Putin-lovers here would live in Russia? Right. Both Russia and Venezuela should be like Norway. All three countries are natural-resources rich beyond anyone’s wildest dreams. But, using those resources, which ONE of those three countries has set itself and its people up for generations to come? Right. And which ONE of the three has not seen those resources removed from the hands of their people by a handful of individuals? Right. Venezuela should be the Norway of South America. Russia has an economy the size of Belgium and Netherlands combined. In global terms it is a side-show. The body-builder muscles his way around the globe throwing shapes to distract attention from the obscenity (economically) that a small elite has made Russia. Yes, many Western leaders are little better than him. But, wake the ***k up when it comes to Putin. D.
monty_python wrote: » Have you a link to read about that? I don't know anything about that so id like to read about it
Gatling wrote: » You would think after what happened to russians when they attacked a Kurdish /American controlled area in Syria they wouldn't be wanting to get close to where they will be likely to be met with similar forces if they try to get involved with the local population of venezuela
Dohnjoe wrote: » It was popular protest, hundreds of thousands marched in the capital repeatedly, people with kids, buggies, etc. When it later turned violent, the far right element became more involved. Eastern Ukraine (Dornbas, etc) was largely pro-Russian. The rest of the country, not so much. In the subsequent elections in Ukraine, the two far-right candidates got less than 2% of the vote between them. The "neo-nazi" thing was mostly Kremlin propaganda. For their troubles, Putin annexed Crimea, seized Sevastopol deep-water port, sheltered internationally-wanted Yanukovych and sparked a war in Eastern Ukraine.
Spannerplank wrote: » Venezuela should be the Norway of South America you say. Well Libya was the Norway of Africa. Electricity was free, as was education and healthcare. Petrol was 10 cents a gallon and newlyweds were gifted £20,000 to get them started in their new lives. And this was all on the state and the oil wealth. So Libyans too were sorted for life until NATO wanted that oil and so wrecked the country and turned the richest and most stable African country into a graveyard. I take it you want the same for Venezuela.
Gatling wrote: » Wrong
one world order wrote: » Venezuela is a mess because of US imposed sanctions against the country.
one world order wrote: » Venezuela is a mess because of US imposed sanctions against the country. The government put the interests of its people first and now is paying the price by those that control the world.
Dohnjoe wrote: » That's largely a false narrative. The election wasn't considered a real election, nor was it properly monitored. As such, the world (with the exception of about 7 countries) rejected it. The Kremlin sparked a war in Eastern Ukraine, directly supplying men, tanks, armaments, anti-aircraft equipment, etc
Billy86 wrote: » Russian mercenaries are now arriving in Venezuela as they did Ukraine - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/25/venezuela-maduro-russia-private-security-contractors So tell me, which is it? Was Putin wrong to invade Ukraine to topple the government, or is he wrong to invade Venezuela to stop the government from being toppled? Or are you just flat out ok with whatever Putin does, and the blood he spills on foreign soil, because it's Putin? To answer your whataboutism in advance (let's be honest, we all know it's coming as an attempt to not answer), I am not a fan of other western governments doing so either... so please now attempt to answer the question above.
Spannerplank wrote: » What about that popular uprising in Bahrain that was crushed by Saudi tanks because it was actually a threat to US I tell of the Gulf state? That was and is an authoritarian dictatorship. The locals rise up and were butchered under America's eye.or is that just "whataboutery"?
Discodog wrote: » Or a popular uprising against a dictator. Pot, Kettle, Putin, Ukraine.
Discodog wrote: » Good to see him continuing to support ruthless dictators.
Billy86 wrote: » Not a legit election because it was not recognised before or after, and because it was done with invading Russian forces 'observing' over the election. Why do you think Russia were so dead set on lying over and over about their troops invading Ukraine at this time? If the British army invaded Ardee "on a holiday" and over 80% of the locals suddenly realised they wanted to join Northern Ireland and the UK, I doubt your tune would be the same. Then again it is highly unlikely, given Ardee isn't a crucial access point to international waters for the UK.
Billy86 wrote: » Russian mercenaries are now arriving in Venezuela as they did Ukraine - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/25/venezuela-maduro-russia-private-security-contractors
Dohnjoe wrote: » Forget all that, do you support Maduro and what he's doing to the Venezuelan people? If no, then why would you support a foreign power lending him a hand? This might seem like an alien concept, but you can criticise the US/UK/Israel/West AND you can also criticise Putin at the same time The two aren't mutually exclusive.
