eagle eye wrote: » How hard is the EU hit by a hard Brexit? Are we facing higher taxes, higher prices on domestic necessities etc.?
FrancieBrady wrote: » It's going to be very difficult for the EU. We are going to have to find a home for all the best bits of UK business, brains and talent. The migration has already begun and Europe is on it's knees coping.
fash wrote: » That's the thing about a crash out brexit: the damage to the UK will be permanent - companies and businesses that move out are not coming back. Damage to other member states is a lot more temporary in nature. Companies in the EU are not planning on moving to the UK.
downcow wrote: » Is it reasonable to state that? Eu is basically saying to UK you cannot leave our union as one nation with any deal and we won’t talk about any deal if you dare to leave as one nation.
correct horse battery staple wrote: » Anyone help me out here in trying to find parallels in history.
Bit cynical wrote: » Just out of interest, I know a couple of other countries have expressed support for an extension but have any countries said they would actually object or is it mainly the Brussels establishment that opposes an extension?
CelticRambler wrote: » There's already a precedent - the re-unification of Germany. And that's why I think that the "Irish Question" will turn out to be the easiest problem for a post-Brexit chaotic UK to sort out. Because it is already separated from GB (physically, socio-politically and in respect of some regulations, e.g. the all-important agri-sector), and because there won't have been enough time for it to go down the third-country/rouge-state route, the EU can point to the East-Germany example and say to the UK "how about we treat NI as a special case, and use your willingness to sort that out quickly as a barometer of your good faith?"
jm08 wrote: » The Brexiteer MPs keep claiming that the EU always caves in at the last minute in negotiations and this is what they are banking on. The thing is that compromise may happen between the EU28, but now, as a third country, everything will be different.
Itssoeasy wrote: » Where have the EU said the United Kingdom won't leave as one nation ? The EU have no say in the composition on the UK. And you bloody well know what you are saying is wrong. You realise the withdrawal agreement isn't the end of the process ? The WA is a way to have the UK leave the EU in an orderly way and the two year transition period is to allow for the future relationship between the two parties to be agreed upon. The backstop which you seem to be obsessed with hopefully will never even be used but it's a protection against any border on the island of Ireland should the U.K. and the EU not reach a deal.
Capt'n Midnight wrote: » Been debunked, even by the BBC's "reality check" Lisbon and Nice , Greece take your pick. Yes there have been clarifications and fudges within the rules but the EU has kept to it's big red lines. As Paxman asked someone a long time ago - has the EU ever compromised on principles for money ?
downcow wrote: » Unfortunately the insistence of a backstop is the very reason the will be a border ie the UK has no choice but to leave with no deal and your government will then have no choice but to erect a border. And to use your language. You bloody well know that and you’ve been told often enough.
Calina wrote: » The withdrawal agreement is not a trade agreement. It is the orderly wind down of UK membership. If you cannot tell the difference you really have a metric tonne to learn.
downcow wrote: » Unfortunately the insistence of a backstop is the very reason the will be a border ie the UK has no choice but to leave with no deal and your government will then have no choice but to erect a border.
judeboy101 wrote: » They backed down on FOM in Switzerland post Swiss referendum. EU citizens no longer have freedom to get any job they want in the alpine country. Imagine if the UK had been offered that version of FOM before 2016, they'd never have left.
lawred2 wrote: » You don't care about the GFA. Grand. The DUP and their likes never have. But the majority of NI, Ireland and the EU do. Seeking to uphold peace accords is usually considered the right thing to be doing. I don't know, but for me I think you'd have to question yourself and your outlook on life if you actively seeking to position yourself in opposition to such efforts.
Citizens from EU-25*/EFTA** states enjoy full freedom of movement. This means that citizens of those countries are free to travel to Switzerland, and to live and work here.
The EU Commission said on Monday (17 December) it would allow another six-month period for the Swiss stock exchange to maintain access to the EU market - but by then it wants Switzerland to endorse a new treaty with the bloc.
downcow wrote: » Itssoeasy wrote: » Where have the EU said the United Kingdom won't leave as one nation ? The EU have no say in the composition on the UK. And you bloody well know what you are saying is wrong. You realise the withdrawal agreement isn't the end of the process ? The WA is a way to have the UK leave the EU in an orderly way and the two year transition period is to allow for the future relationship between the two parties to be agreed upon. The backstop which you seem to be obsessed with hopefully will never even be used but it's a protection against any border on the island of Ireland should the U.K. and the EU not reach a deal. Unfortunately the insistence of a backstop is the very reason the will be a border ie the UK has no choice but to leave with no deal and your government will then have no choice but to erect a border. And to use your language. You bloody well know that and you’ve been told often enough.
Midlife wrote: » 2 months to go. Any idea what the UK actually wants? I actually can't figure it out at all.
downcow wrote: » This is dillusional most of Eu won’t even know what gfa is never mind care about it. You need to realise ireland is not at the centre of the universe. North or south. No one will lose sleep over whether Paris or London. Get some perspective. Peace was coming anyway Gfa speeded it along a little. But the writing was on the wall. The terrorists on all sides were defeated. It’s over. But it suits some to pretend that the majority of the nationalist community are about to throw their support behind another sectarian campaign. We have all moved on
downcow wrote: » This is dillusional most of Eu won’t even know what gfa is never mind care about it. You need to realise ireland is not at the centre of the universe. North or south. No one will lose sleep over whether Paris or London. Get some perspective. Peace was coming anyway Gfa speeded it along a little. But the writing was on the wall. The terrorists on all sides were defeated. It’s over. But it suits some to pretend that the majority of the nationalist community are about to through their support behind another sectarian campaign. We have all moved on
downcow wrote: » This is dillusional most of Eu won’t even know what gfa is never mind care about it. You need to realise ireland is not at the centre of the universe. North or south. No one will lose sleep over whether Paris or London. Get some perspective.
CelticRambler wrote: » ... and most of the English don't know or care what the GFA is; and the DUP need to realise NI is not at the centre of the UK. No-one in London will lose any sleep about it, if NI is relegated to having more of a provincial status than it already is. It's actually quite sad looking on from the sidelines at the DUP, clinging on to a foster mother that really couldn't give a damn about them. If they weren't so utterly determined to always think badly of the "south-of-the-border" Irish, they might realise that we care about them and their well-being far more than Westminster does.
