RosyLily wrote: » GOAT this, GOAT that. Does no one get tired of the debate? I'm a huge Federer fan and I appreciate what Nadal and Djokovic are doing on the court. They're all bringing eyes to the sport. I'm delighted I get to see them play and got to see Fed and Nole IRL. Anywho, looking forward to the 2019 season, especially seeing what Osaka does next. A fit and healthy Kvitova to win Wimbledon....that's the only thing I'd like this year!:D
The Golden Miller wrote: » So a bunch of second tier players for the most part then?
walshb wrote: » That’s some olive branch!
SophieLockhart wrote: » Sorry if you interpreted them as antagonistic, I just thought your post was somewhat lacking in tennis education.
SophieLockhart wrote: » Tonight's result doesn't change it, it reinforces it. Nadal/Djokovic are the same age and a direct comparison is possible, unlike with Federer from the previous generation. And no he's not in the debate, he's only cleaned up on clay because 95% of players favour hard court tennis.
SophieLockhart wrote: » The world's best tennis players at that time presumably.
josip wrote: » We'll just have to agree to differ on some of those points Sophie, but why the need for antagonistic comments? Do you believe they encourage other posters to consider your point of view?
dominatinMC wrote: » No Nadal won it in 2014, lost to Djokovic in 2015 (the year stan beat Novak in the final), and withdrew injured in 2016. So one loss to Djokovic and one to Soderling in 2009 (I think)
dominatinMC wrote: » Where did I make the claim that I said he was ahead in the GOAT debate? He is, however, in the overall debate. Tonight's result doesn't change that, are you seriously claiming that it should? If we are following your well-thought out argument, then does Federer deserve to be in it after suffering the worst GS Final drubbing of them all in FO 08? Ridiculous to suggest that a hammering in a final negates all the work of 20 years
walshb wrote: » Did he not beat him in a QF as well in 2014 or 2015? When Stan then beat Nole in final?
SophieLockhart wrote: » 1. Federer would have smashed Nadal today, so that is just plain silly. 2. Djokovic is way ahead, except at Roland Garros. 3. True 4. Very unlikely, by both. 5. Federer doesn't play easy tournaments, and winning any tournament is not easy when you're approaching 38. Try brushing up on your tennis knowledge.
The Golden Miller wrote: » Who did Federer face between 04-07 to test/measure his supposed "GOAT"-ness against?
Johnmb wrote: » I'm not really going to get into a GOAT debate, because I think they are pointless, and I certainly wouldn't be saying that Nadal is it if I was, but do you understand what the letters stand for? The AT part means "All Time", not just one match. One defeat doesn't negate all the other successes any player has had.
dominatinMC wrote: » Beaten him once in 16. At the moment I have Djokovic as fav due to him being in Nadals head. Will be interesting to see Nadals form going forward, and if he can do anything to turn the H2H around. If he doesn't score a win or 2 over Nole before the FO, he can forget about winning it. And let's not disregard Thiem either, he routed Djokovic there 2 years ago
walshb wrote: » You would have to surely think Nole can beat him? Has beaten him twice before at RG I believe...Nadal is not at his best...Nole is playing better tennis.
SophieLockhart wrote: » What's wrong with the statement? You can't seriously claim he's ahead of Djokovic in the GOAT debate after today's embarrassment.
Johnmb wrote: » I can't see Nadal not winning RG this year.
SophieLockhart wrote: » Very true, he was being beaten by several lesser players after 2008. Nadal and Djokovic were very lucky not to face him in his GOAT years, and could share the titles with very little competition.
walshb wrote: » Final slam count Fed 20 Nadal 18......just Nole 18 Been wrong on Fed before, but very confident he stays on 20 Nadal may squeeze RG this year.. Nole can win all remaining three this year and Oz 2919..maybe 19 slams.
dominatinMC wrote: » Utterly pathetic trolling. He was destroyed today, but that statement says all I need to know about your understanding of tennis
Schwarzer Kaffee Mit Sahne wrote: » We have overall stats against the field, I'm almost certain if we examine unforced errors in 2008 vs previous years this will prove my point, and we can ignore leave the stats out against Nadal and Djokovic to negate your likely rebuttal. I've been watching Federer closely since 2003, I know what I witnessed. 2008 was a huge drop in form. Suddenly he was struggling to hit winners against nobodies.
Schwarzer Kaffee Mit Sahne wrote: » It amazes me that people can claim that Federer was at his best in 2008. Why did his. winning percentage drop so much? Why did he lose to people he never lost to before? Watch the footage, he lost his sharpness in 2008. He got a bit better in 2009 but still well off his peak years, then he went back into decline in 2010 until his lowest moment in 2013. He changes his Racquet and his performance has improved since then, but he hasn't got back to he level in his peak years. It's ridiculous to think a man in his mid thirties could do that.
SophieLockhart wrote: » It's incredible that Nadal fanatics even have the temerity to show up here today. Your idol got absolutely pasted and is now utterly ruled out of the GOAT debate. No go off and start weeping bitter tears in a dark room, like your hero currently is in Melbourne.
Schwarzer Kaffee Mit Sahne wrote: » It amazes me that people can claim that Federer was at his best in 2008. Why did his. winning percentage drop so much? Why did he lose to people he never lost to before?
