Calls for Graham Linehan to be removed from Prime Debate on transgender issues!

I sure you are well aware of the Man Identifying As Woman who Sued Female beauticians For Refusing To Give Him A Lady’s Genital Wax, on his fully intact dick & balls, how can anyone in their right mind support this?
This JY chancer is involved in many more controversy, a google will show you how depraved this man is, periods,tampons, young girls, absolutely disgusting individual who is getting support from the SJW mob.
Japan has the right idea.

davidk1394 wrote: »

This would sort out the genuine people who want to change sex from the bullshíters.

https://www.france24.com/en/20190124-japan-court-upholds-sterilisation-rule-gender-change

I don't suppose you've done much research on transgender issues, or spoken to any people in this situation, to inform your view on 'bull****ters'?

sophiexyz wrote: »

I sure you are well aware of the Man Identifying As Woman who Sued Female beauticians For Refusing To Give Him A Lady’s Genital Wax, on his fully intact dick & balls, how can anyone in their right mind support this?
This JY chancer is involved in many more controversy, a google will show you how depraved this man is, periods,tampons, young girls, absolutely disgusting individual who is getting support from the SJW mob.
Japan has the right idea.

Do the Title Case capitals make this one very unusual case from a completely different society and legal environment any more relevant to Ireland?

Will I Am Not wrote: »

So there was so little to whinge about you have to remark on the way he types? Without even knowing what he was typing about

I think we all know what he was typing about, don't we?

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Ok so you don't approve of his typing but but did he say anything transphobic?

He did, as expected, continue his tactic of blowing up a tiny number of very unusual situations in other jurisdictions as being somehow relevant for Ireland, while ignoring the fact that zero issues have arisen in two years of self-identification here, and also ignoring the very real issues that do cause serious harm to women here every day. Here's just one real example from Twitter today, but no, let's obsess about the issues that aren't happening here instead:
https://twitter.com/sjanemurf/status/1089086652092420096

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Do the Title Case capitals make this one very unusual case from a completely different society and legal environment any more relevant to Ireland?

If it can happen over there it can happen here!
Common law is currently in practice in Ireland, most of the United Kingdom (England and Wales and Northern Ireland), Australia, New Zealand, Bangladesh, India (excluding Goa), Pakistan, South Africa, Canada (excluding Quebec), Hong Kong, the United States (on a state level excluding Louisiana), and many other places.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Here's just one real example from Twitter today, but no, let's obsess about the issues that aren't happening here instead:
https://twitter.com/sjanemurf/status/1089086652092420096

If that man had been in the ladies dressed in a skirt Sarah-Jane would have been pounced on as a terf and a transphobe for a comment like that. :pac:

The Twitterers gang up brutally on any women that object to trans-women in women's spaces. It's like the fast show sketch from years ago. Very very "Women, know your limits"

sophiexyz wrote: »

If it can happen over there it can happen here!

Ifs, ifs, ifs - do you think that maybe we should be focusing on the real issues that actually ARE happening here instead of making up bogeymen to scare people?

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

If that man had been in the ladies dressed in a skirt Sarah-Jane would have been pounced on as a terf and a transphobe for a comment like that. :pac:

Ifs, ifs, ifs - do you think that maybe we should be focusing on the real issues that actually ARE happening here instead of making up bogeymen to scare people?

Friend works in a busy pub, a transgender m-f was drinking there , about twice a month for 3 months, the owner was getting told that if he did not bar the transgender from using the womens toilets, that "we won't be drinking here, as long as he is here" every complaint was from women, regular customers, who's numbers where many, and so spent much more in the pub than the transgender.
The owner was left with no choice but to bar the transgender.
Now before you jump to conclusions, it was a purely commercial decision, there where many complaints, and my friend said not one was from a man, in fact the men fought it was funny, it was the female customers who blew a fuse.
(a busy, very nice pub)

sophiexyz wrote: »

Friend works in a busy pub, a transgender m-f was drinking there , about twice a month for 3 months, the owner was getting told that if he did not bar the transgender from using the womens toilets, that "we won't be drinking here, as long as he is here" every complaint was from women, regular customers, who's numbers where many, and so spent much more in the pub than the transgender.
The owner was left with no choice but to bar the transgender.
Now before you jump to conclusions, it was a purely commercial decision, there where many complaints, and my friend said not one was from a man, in fact the men fought it was funny, it was the female customers who blew a fuse.
(a busy, very nice pub)

So a minor issue arose, and it was sorted out locally without any major drama. Very enlightening.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So a minor issue arose, and it was sorted out locally without any major drama. Very enlightening.

It's a real world example of transgender issues, something which a lot of posters here have not a clue about.
Women are the most aggrieved, men just laugh at the transgender m-f

sophiexyz wrote: »

It's a real world example of transgender issues, something which a lot of posters here have not a clue about.
Women are the most aggrieved, men just laugh at the transgender m-f

Honestly, I'm not so sure that it is 'real world', but if it is, then it looks like it was sorted fairly quickly and easily. Didn't quite need a Prime Time focus to sort it.

klaaaz

sophiexyz wrote: »

The owner was left with no choice but to bar the transgender.
Now before you jump to conclusions, it was a purely commercial decision, there where many complaints, and my friend said not one was from a man, in fact the men fought it was funny, it was the female customers who blew a fuse.
(a busy, very nice pub)

Which country was this allegedly in? It's illegal to bar trans from the toilet in any establishment, something about discrimination. Don't blame me for saying that, blame the lawmakers if you feel aggrieved.

Maduro wrote: »

He's entitled to his opinion, same as you and me. They had balance as they are required to.

He's absolutely entitled to his opinion, same as you and me. And he's absolutely entitled to voice his opinion on Twitter or other outlets. I'd actually have no objection to him being invited on an 'opinion' show, like Cutting Edge or whatever.

But you and me didn't get invited on Prime Time, presumably because neither of us have relevant expertise or experience. The comedy writer did, simply because Prime Time were trying to stir up controversy by importing a manufactured crisis from the UK.

Didn't work for them this time, fortunately.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Ok so you don't approve of his typing but but did he say anything transphobic?

A funny argument indeed. Andrew types very well himself, but doesn’t argue very well.

The Bishop Basher

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

But you and me didn't get invited on Prime Time, presumably because neither of us have relevant expertise or experience. The comedy writer did, simply because Prime Time were trying to stir up controversy by importing a manufactured crisis from the UK.

The program has aired, the world didn’t end, let it go..

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Ifs, ifs, ifs - do you think that maybe we should be focusing on the real issues that actually ARE happening here instead of making up bogeymen to scare people?

Ifs, ifs, ifs - do you think that maybe we should be focusing on the real issues that actually ARE happening here instead of making up bogeymen to scare people?

You always seem to skirt around the legal issues that self identification will cause. Legally a trans woman is a woman (bit odd then that there are also calls for recognition of multiple genders but I digress).

A legal woman clearly has the same rights as any other legal woman. Unless the law is an ass. Therefore a biological man who self identified as a woman under said law can enter a woman’s toilet under the law. Unless the law is an ass.

ceadaoin.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

But you and me didn't get invited on Prime Time, presumably because neither of us have relevant expertise or experience. The comedy writer did, simply because Prime Time were trying to stir up controversy by importing a manufactured crisis from the UK.

It's not manufactured though is it? There are several violent male criminals who now identify as women and want to be placed in women's prisons. Ian Huntley has allegedly changed his name to the same as the mother as one of his victims, finding a new way to cause them pain that cannot be questioned. Another has already committed assaults on women in prison. There is a male paedophile in a women's prison that has a mother and baby unit. Yet another has raised complaints from female prison guards who are forced to perform intimate searches on a male who seems to be enjoying it. Crimes committed by males are being recorded as female offenders when they are anything but.

Women who are trying to meet to discuss how proposed changes to the law will affect them are harrassed, threatened and even physically attacked by transactivists to try and stop them. Women meeting to talk, where is the threat in that?

So it's not manufactured and could well happen in Ireland. Maybe it already is, I have read on other sites that people are afraid to speak out because of the pile on that inevitably happens. The only controversy was caused by protestors. I can guarantee a lot less people would have tuned in or even knew anything about the issue if it wasn't for that so well done.

branie2

sophiexyz wrote: »

Friend works in a busy pub, a transgender m-f was drinking there , about twice a month for 3 months, the owner was getting told that if he did not bar the transgender from using the womens toilets, that "we won't be drinking here, as long as he is here" every complaint was from women, regular customers, who's numbers where many, and so spent much more in the pub than the transgender.
The owner was left with no choice but to bar the transgender.
Now before you jump to conclusions, it was a purely commercial decision, there where many complaints, and my friend said not one was from a man, in fact the men fought it was funny, it was the female customers who blew a fuse.
(a busy, very nice pub)

She was there.

If Andrew was around 30 years ago Gaybo would never have been allowed put a condom onto that banana.

LLMMLL

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Bold emphasis my own. A victim of rape or sexual assault would certainly not be laughed at if they were to come forward and make a cOmplaint.

The question is whether that person was actually a victim of rape.or.sexual assault.

Your interpretation of the clauses that involve being mislead about "identity" and "the nature" of the sexual act do not hold up in relation to sex with trans people.

sophiexyz wrote: »

Friend works in a busy pub, a transgender m-f was drinking there , about twice a month for 3 months, the owner was getting told that if he did not bar the transgender from using the womens toilets, that "we won't be drinking here, as long as he is here" every complaint was from women, regular customers, who's numbers where many, and so spent much more in the pub than the transgender.
The owner was left with no choice but to bar the transgender.
Now before you jump to conclusions, it was a purely commercial decision, there where many complaints, and my friend said not one was from a man, in fact the men fought it was funny, it was the female customers who blew a fuse.
(a busy, very nice pub)

That’s illegal if the trans woman has legally changed her gender.

Zorya

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Ifs, ifs, ifs - do you think that maybe we should be focusing on the real issues that actually ARE happening here instead of making up bogeymen to scare people?

Ifs, ifs, ifs - do you think that maybe we should be focusing on the real issues that actually ARE happening here instead of making up bogeymen to scare people?

Here's a real issue for you, not a bogeyman.

During puberty the sex hormones, especially testosterone, which increases in both females and males as they enter puberty, though to different degrees, mature the pre-frontal cortex of the brain.

Prior to this maturation the younger child processes a lot of information via the amygdala, which is a much less rational part of the brain. The limbic system is not rational - it includes responses like fight, flight or fright, for example. It is primitive and instinctual.

As humans mature and become adults, more and more of their thinking gets done by the pre-frontal cortex. They learn to manage their emotional responses using reason.

Though scarily insufficient research is being done on the effects of the use of pubertal blockers on children, it is largely proven now that low levels of adolescent sex hormones leave the developing brain more akin to a childs than an adults. Low levels of sex hormones are caused by pubertal blockers.

Will I Am Not

Zorya wrote: »

Here's a real issue for you, not a bogeyman.

During puberty the sex hormones, especially testosterone, which increases in both females and males as they enter puberty, though to different degrees, mature the pre-frontal cortex of the brain.

Prior to this maturation the younger child processes a lot of information via the amygdala, which is a much less rational part of the brain. The limbic system is not rational - it includes responses like fight, flight or fright, for example. It is primitive and instinctual.

As humans mature and become adults, more and more of their thinking gets done by the pre-frontal cortex. They learn to manage their emotional responses using reason.

Though scarily insufficient research is being done on the effects of the use of pubertal blockers on children, it is largely proven now that low levels of adolescent sex hormones leave the developing brain more akin to a childs than an adults. Low levels of sex hormones are caused by pubertal blockers.

You’ll get the same “this doesn’t happen in Ireland” rebuttal as is being made against Linehan’s points. It doesn’t... yet.
Trans activists will always be looking for the next step. Self identification - lower age for self identification - puberty blockers - lower age for surgery. It will be an issue eventually.

Zorya

Will I Am Not wrote: »

You’ll get the same “this doesn’t happen in Ireland” rebuttal as is being made against Linehan’s points. It doesn’t... yet.
Trans activists will always be looking for the next step. Self identification - lower age for self identification - puberty blockers - lower age for surgery. It will be an issue eventually.

I know.

It's irrelevant if aspects of this are happening here or not. With a tiny population we will not feature statistically at first.

But the BS is spreading - Harvard Medical School is about to embark on a revision of its curriculum to encompass trans ideology which is a mockery of science. It's only a matter of time before PC culture inspires Irish universities to do likewise.

One eyed Jack

LLMMLL wrote: »

The question is whether that person was actually a victim of rape.or.sexual assault.

Your interpretation of the clauses that involve being mislead about "identity" and "the nature" of the sexual act do not hold up in relation to sex with trans people.

No that’s not the question. If someone walks into a Garda station and claims to have been the victim of rape or sexual assault, their claims are taken seriously, regardless of their gender, and regardless of the gender of the perpetrator.

They do hold up btw, because while a person who is transgender is recognised as their preferred gender in law, that’s completely irrelevant as to whether or not they could be found guilty of having committed either sexual assault or rape.

Their only defence in those circumstances is whether or not they had a genuine belief that they had consent, and it’s a question for the jury to determine whether or not that belief was reasonable. If you imagine that a jury would deem it reasonable that heterosexual males would generally consent to have sex with a person who is transgender, then you could feel free to argue that in defence of the person who could find themselves on trial for sexual assault or rape.

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

If Andrew was around 30 years ago Gaybo would never have been allowed put a condom onto that banana.

I've no idea where this comes from. Any suggestion that I'm uncomfortable with adult topics being discussed is utter nonsense.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It's not manufactured though is it? There are several violent male criminals who now identify as women and want to be placed in women's prisons. Ian Huntley has allegedly changed his name to the same as the mother as one of his victims, finding a new way to cause them pain that cannot be questioned. Another has already committed assaults on women in prison. There is a male paedophile in a women's prison that has a mother and baby unit. Yet another has raised complaints from female prison guards who are forced to perform intimate searches on a male who seems to be enjoying it. Crimes committed by males are being recorded as female offenders when they are anything but.

Women who are trying to meet to discuss how proposed changes to the law will affect them are harrassed, threatened and even physically attacked by transactivists to try and stop them. Women meeting to talk, where is the threat in that?

So it's not manufactured and could well happen in Ireland. Maybe it already is, I have read on other sites that people are afraid to speak out because of the pile on that inevitably happens. The only controversy was caused by protestors. I can guarantee a lot less people would have tuned in or even knew anything about the issue if it wasn't for that so well done.

Yep, it's manufactured. If you look at the Irish Prison Service policy, you'll see how it is manufactured. If you look at the problems that have arising in two years of self-identification here, you'll see it is manufactured.

It's clear from the presence of this thread that people aren't afraid to speak out. They're just afraid that they won't get away with manufacturing a controversy where none exists.

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

You always seem to skirt around the legal issues that self identification will cause. Legally a trans woman is a woman (bit odd then that there are also calls for recognition of multiple genders but I digress).

A legal woman clearly has the same rights as any other legal woman. Unless the law is an ass. Therefore a biological man who self identified as a woman under said law can enter a woman’s toilet under the law. Unless the law is an ass.

'Skirt around'! I see what you did there!

I'm fairly sure there is no actual law blocking anyone from entering any toilet. It's obviously not the done thing, but it does happen. I've been in female toilets occasionally, for odd reasons. I don't think I've broken the law, unless you'd like to clarify what particular law you're referring to?

Rennaws wrote: »

The program has aired, the world didn’t end, let it go..

And you're right, the world didn't end. The storm largely passed by overhead without breaking. Prime Time did get the kind of attention they were desperately trolling for, but just for a short period.

But there is a huge danger in this kind of 'news'. This is exactly the kind of 'news' that brought you Brexit and Trump.

Do we really want to go there?

Will I Am Not wrote: »

You’ll get the same “this doesn’t happen in Ireland” rebuttal as is being made against Linehan’s points. It doesn’t... yet.
Trans activists will always be looking for the next step. Self identification - lower age for self identification - puberty blockers - lower age for surgery. It will be an issue eventually.

The same kind of 'slippery slope' nonsense that we heard from those who opposed equal marriage and repealing the eight.

Zorya wrote: »

I know.

It's irrelevant if aspects of this are happening here or not. With a tiny population we will not feature statistically at first.

But the BS is spreading - Harvard Medical School is about to embark on a revision of its curriculum to encompass trans ideology which is a mockery of science. It's only a matter of time before PC culture inspires Irish universities to do likewise.

Oh Lord, it's global contagion now? Why don't you rush over to Harvard and put them right, while we get on with the kind of normal life without incident that has followed two years of self-identification here.

The Bishop Basher

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

And you're right, the world didn't end. The storm largely passed by overhead without breaking. Prime Time did get the kind of attention they were desperately trolling for, but just for a short period.

Yes with the protesters help as is so often the way :rolleyes:

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

But there is a huge danger in this kind of 'news'. This is exactly the kind of 'news' that brought you Brexit and Trump.

Do we really want to go there?

We live in a democracy, If we get there it will be because the majority want it.

Sounds like you want to try and manipulate and control that. We certainly don't want to go there.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Yep, it's manufactured. If you look at the Irish Prison Service policy, you'll see how it is manufactured. If you look at the problems that have arising in two years of self-identification here, you'll see it is manufactured.

You seem to have a hard time understanding arguments as to what may happen. Linehan is in the UK anyway, where the laws are more stringent than here but culturally trans activism has already made more societal and organisational inroads. Over there the laws haven’t changed but organisations have adopted self identification and it has had fairly serious effects.

I'm fairly sure there is no actual law blocking anyone from entering any toilet. It's obviously not the done thing, but it does happen. I've been in female toilets occasionally, for odd reasons. I don't think I've broken the law, unless you'd like to clarify what particular law you're referring to?

Ok then female toilets, refuges, short lists, sports teams etc. The Dail in the committee stages of the Gender Recognition bill(s) rejected all such protections and kept returning the bill to kick out any such exemptions. So despite your milequost deflections and throat clearing with regards the effects of self identification it’s clear it will have very strong effect on women’s spaces.

But there is a huge danger in this kind of 'news'. This is exactly the kind of 'news' that brought you Brexit and Trump.

Do we really want to go there?

I’d say Brexit and Trump came from concerns being ignored. From news not being reported.

The same kind of 'slippery slope' nonsense that we heard from those who opposed equal marriage and repealing the eight.

Odd argument from someone who was supporting puberty blockers on this thread a few days ago.