Captain Obvious wrote: Why don'y you? Checks between Ireland and France would be a breach of EU rules. Checks between Ireland and NI would breach GFA. Checks between NI and UK mainland hurt feelings.
FrancieBrady wrote: » What are you on about, we are not leaving the EU...YOU ARE. You need to compromise to get a deal. Jesus. :eek:
Laois_Man wrote: » I see Philip Hammond is raising hopes about "the EU dropping some of its red lines" and that some EU leaders want to change the deal What's he on about?https://www.bbc.com/news/world-46999458
Captain Obvious wrote: » Why don'y you? Checks between Ireland and France would be a breach of EU rules. Checks between Ireland and NI would breach GFA. Checks between NI and UK mainland hurt feelings.
mickoneill31 wrote: » I listened to the Brexitcast podcast today. Then I listened to Brexit Republic. Light years of a difference in terms of quality and analysis. The BBC has really plumetted in the last couple of years. Might be worth a listen to some of the posters who don't have much of a clue about why the back stop is necessary.
downcow wrote: » The backstop can lock us in forever to a situation where we have entirely different arrangements to the rest of the UK (and please don’t again bring up the current devolved matters which are chosen by the people -some crazy discriminatory stuff I know). It leaves us under the control of the Eu while rest of UK leaves. I is completely undemocratic. And it is not needed.
downcow wrote: » If the backstop is so benign they why don’t you do us a favour and have all the checks you want at the Irish see moved to the French ireland ferries. I would love to know how you can keep telling me to just knuckle down and accept it while you don’t want anything to compromise free movement between you and France. Try to step back and look at what you are saying
downcow wrote: » Fixed that for you! But I mightn’t be around long because what’s good for the goose dare not be said about the gander I fear “The sad truth is the Irish are utter idiots of the moat dangerous kind because theyre too incompetent and stuck in their blinkered views of the world to actually be rational.”
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Ruth Dudley Edwards called An Taoiseach Leo Varadkar a "useful idiot"
downcow wrote: » We can elect mps. Ok sf don’t represent anyone but their voters could vote for a party that do. I don’t know how you define ‘hardline’ I don’t vote dup but I have to accept they are the biggest party in NI. Would you refer to sf as hardline? I’m interested.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » It's not just German and French people that are disliked. Writing in The Telegraph yesterday, Ruth Dudley Edwards called An Taoiseach Leo Varadkar a "useful idiot". Nice to see the Tories sharing the love.
Infini wrote: » Based on what? The whole "backstop" is meant to be a case of "In case of Emergency" and temporary. It's basically meant to be superseded in the long run with a trade agreement. The whole point is this is not a physical border between the UK and NI its a trade one and mainly to keep sub standard products out and allow NI to be used as a backdoor. There's no details on this position that affect you negatively. It hardly leaves you under the control of the EU either. Hell it doesn't even stop you exporting to Britain. The whole hysteria on this is more of "oh noes it seperates us..... somehow" but is utterly lacking on where this practically affects you. On the other hand were seeing how being removed from the EU IS going to practically affect you aka Trade slowed to a narrow flow because of lack of permits and people being cut off which is FAR more acute and will hurt severely.
murphaph wrote: » Got a link for any of that? AFAIK there is FoM for EU citizens in CH.
judeboy101 wrote: » Actually the EU did cave. As an EU citizen I cannot fly to switzerland in the morning and get a job. Firstly if the region I get the job in has higher than average unemployment, the job must go to a swiss first. Secondly I must prove that I have integrated into swiss society. That's not from, that's quotas by stealth.
ilovesmybrick wrote: » Okay, maybe I'm only speaking for myself as someone that remembers the end of the troubles and the checkpoints, and is from the Republic, but this is not a ploy to force the North to rejoin the South as you have been making out or insinuating the past while. This is the result of a poorly considered decision by Cameron. You already have many different arrangements than the UK. That has been a fact for a very long time. The South has done incredibly well from membership of the EU, as has the North. Northern Ireland has no devolved government at the moment. You're only representatives are the hardline DUP members in Westminster, and for around two years now what has the UK done to right this democratic deficit? You say you're left under the control of the EU if there's a divergence. What control do you have now?
Infini wrote: Same myself. There's thing's that I wont like or be critical about the EU but the whole point is to hammer away at them till they cop on and fix something if there's a problem not pull a "screw you guys I'm going home" routine because one cant get their own way. The whole reason the EU came about was because of the need to pool resources to protect all involved its less costly and offers more protection. The problem with the UK is they cant see that and its going to bite them in the áss when its too late.
