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Calls for Graham Linehan to be removed from Prime Debate on transgender issues!

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Prime Time are airing a special about transgender issues on Tuesday night at 21:35. I believe it mainly involves young people but will also show older people who have transitioned.
Graham Linehan is due to appear on this but a petition has being started to have him removed. There was an article on the matter on an Irish newspaper website but it has being removed.
Where do people stand on this matter?

Personally I can see both sides on the matter when it comes to kids/teenagers transitioning and how it may effect them in the long term since it's such a big change to make but I'm no expert on the matter.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/opposition-to-father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-being-on-tv-transgender-debate-skz8mp2rb

https://www.change.org/p/donogh-diamond-rte-to-remove-graham-linehan-piece-from-upcoming-prime-time-show-on-transgender-issues

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mazcon

mazcon wrote: »

Or men with fannies

I'm referring to the fact that many women ( me included) would not want to have sex with a man with a vagina ie a transman. Funny how it was assumed to be about transwomen...who's phobic again, remind me?

mcmoustache

technics121O wrote: »

lol the left is literally eating itself
us right wingers can relax and take over every government in europe, and the usa, and brazil

1488

Care to explain 1488 to those of us who don't frequent nazi sites?

klaaaz

mazcon wrote: »

Or men with fannies

sabat wrote: »

Even if the surgeon somehow managed to cobble together a world-class vadge, you still have the butchered chest, Adam's apple, man shoulders, man forearms, man jawline, deeper voice etc to contend with. At best you're talking about a rough simulation of a woman's body.

Gravelly wrote: »

No she isn't. She's a man that's had an operation to look like a woman.

I could paint myself blue, but I still wouldn't be a smurf.

Sonic Youth wrote: »

Because he's a man who's had surgery to take on the crude appearance of a woman.

TCM wrote: »

A man who has 'the operation' is a man without a penis and with breasts through the use of medication. That's it. No more no less.

It's quite fascinating to see these keyboard warriors having more expert knowledge on specific transgender issues than the medical community who treat transgender people.
If you feel offended by this, please contact the HSE/NHS teams of qualified psychiatrists, psychologists, endocrinologists and the actual surgeons, who have studied in depth transgender issues all their working lives.

ceadaoin.

klaaaz wrote: »

They are transsexual women who also have floods of estrogen flowing through their bodies like the born females. And all that entails in its consequences.

Funny how you and other posters have not mentioned once about transsexual men, known as trans-men, Typical misogyny.

What do you mean "all that entails in it's consequences"? We're not getting into the bonkers "trans women have periods" stuff now are we?

[Deleted User]

sabat wrote: »

Even if the surgeon somehow managed to cobble together a world-class vadge, you still have the butchered chest, Adam's apple, man shoulders, man forearms, man jawline, deeper voice etc to contend with. At best you're talking about a rough simulation of a woman's body.

We've all seen the trash reality TV shows where the guys couldn't pick the transvestite or transgender woman out of a line up, or worse. I'm told that if you head to Thailand, you might find some pretty confusing scenarios arising there that might challenge your certainty about being able to tell one from other.

Sittingpretty wrote: »

I can’t believe we may have some common ground here Andrew, it’s almost too new for me

Careful now. Down with that sort of thing.

Sittingpretty wrote: »

Seriously all cycling jokes aside I genuinely don’t have any issue with how adults conduct themselves, that is absolutely none of my business and not on my patch so not my problem.

Where I disagree with some here is in the absolute acceptance that a trans person male/female is as completely male/female as their “born” male/female counterparts. It’s not a holding back, or a denial of anyone’s right to live as whatever gender they please.

It's not an unusual view that you hold. I'm just wondering who gains from the refusal of absolute acceptance. If it's not you holding something back, and it certainly doesn't benefit transgender people, why would you (and many others) insist on bringing this to the fore in all these discussions?

AllForIt

Does anyone ever get confused about the terminology.

I had though that the term Gender Dysphoria related to the condition itself but on this website I link to below it says that it actually refers to to the mental anguish suffered as a result.

https://transequality.org/issues/resources/frequently-asked-questions-about-transgender-people

What is gender dysphoria?

For some transgender people, the difference between the gender they are thought to be at birth and the gender they know themselves to be can lead to serious emotional distress that affects their health and everyday lives if not addressed. Gender dysphoria is the medical diagnosis for someone who experiences this distress.

I also have been thinking about the the term transgender. Surely the trans part of the word comes from the word transition? Maybe not, maybe someone can inform me. But if it does come from the word transition is that an odd name for the condition and indeed the whole demographic. There is noting inherently naturally traditional about it save for medical expertise that has only been made possible in recent decades so say 70 years ago the designation transgender wouldn't make any sense.

Your, perpetually confused on this issue. Willing to be informed, but only if it makes sense.

Dante7

BBFAN wrote: »

Alright, maybe I need simple language for you so, a transsexual woman who has had the operation is a WOMAN so why would any man balk at that?

You're doing your side no favours with this type of comment. This is a perfect example of where there are legitimate concerns. The radical trans folk think lesbians should suck their dicks.

Sonic Youth

klaaaz wrote: »

They are transsexual women who also have floods of estrogen flowing through their bodies like the born females. And all that entails in its consequences.

Funny how you and other posters have not mentioned once about transsexual men, known as trans-men, Typical misogyny.

Wait now, if a woman becomes a man, how can he be a victim of misogny?

This is a mind bending thread.

Zorya

BBFAN wrote: »

Bless, you obviously have no experience.

And you seem to overestimate surgical capability. A neovagina will have to be kept open with life long use of dilators or else it will shorten or even close. It has no natural lubrication, is prone to infection, can sometimes grow hair clumps inside due to improper treatment of follicles prior to inversion. No matter how much sex occurs there will never be conception so not much use for anyone who might like to make children. So, yeah, not the same as a biological woman. The vagina is not just a front hole or facsimile thereof.

Sittingpretty

ceadaoin. wrote: »

That does not say that trans people don't exist? acknowledging that there are biological differences between cis and trans women and that some people aren't into that is ok. Plenty of people are

Exactly.

I wouldn’t have any interest in a sexual relationship with a trans man. None, whatsoever. I’m sure there are many women who would and that’s grand, for them.

ceadaoin.

BBFAN wrote: »

Here you go.

That does not say that trans people don't exist? acknowledging that there are biological differences between cis and trans women and that some people aren't into that is ok. Plenty of people are

Gravelly

klaaaz wrote: »

They are transsexual women who also have floods of estrogen flowing through their bodies like the born females. And all that entails in its consequences.

Funny how you and other posters have not mentioned once about transsexual men, known as trans-men, Typical misogyny.

:rolleyes:

TCM

BBFAN wrote:

A transsexual who has had the operation is a woman, suggesting that they're not suggests that they don't exist.

BBFAN wrote:

Very simple.

A man who has 'the operation' is a man without a penis and with breasts through the use of medication. That's it. No more no less.

Gravelly

BBFAN wrote: »

So you're comparing a person who has had life changing surgery to someone who sticks on a bear suit?

What????????????

I told no lie.

You did. You've been asked several times to present posts to back up your claim, and you can't, ergo, you lied.

*EDIT* I see you are being called out on lies on the Margaret Cash thread right now too. Time for bed methinks.

klaaaz

Gravelly wrote: »

The poster above is denying that transexual men who get operations to become women are the same as women who were born as women (as several posters including myself have contended) - they are not denying that transsexuals exist.

They are transsexual women who also have floods of estrogen flowing through their bodies like the born females. And all that entails in its consequences.

Funny how you and other posters have not mentioned once about transsexual men, known as trans-men, Typical misogyny.

BBFAN

Gravelly wrote: »

That is utter idiocy, and patently untrue, as I'm sure you know.

If I say that a man in a bear suit isn't a bear, it's not denying that bears exist.

You told a lie, got called on it, and can't back it up. Do the decent thing and admit it.

So you're comparing a person who has had life changing surgery to someone who sticks on a bear suit?

What????????????

I told no lie.

Gravelly

BBFAN wrote: »

A transsexual who has had the operation is a woman, suggesting that they're not suggests that they don't exist.

Very simple.

That is utter idiocy, and patently untrue, as I'm sure you know.

If I say that a man in a bear suit isn't a bear, it's not denying that bears exist.

You told a lie, got called on it, and can't back it up. Do the decent thing and admit it.

BBFAN

Sonic Youth wrote: »

Time to put the bottle down and go to bed.

Not going to bait me son.

Sonic Youth

BBFAN wrote: »

No, I know that. You're wrong.

Time to put the bottle down and go to bed.

BBFAN

Gravelly wrote: »

Read my question again:

The poster above is denying that transexual men who get operations to become women are the same as women who were born as women (as several posters including myself have contended) - they are not denying that transsexuals exist.

Now, answer the question please.

A transsexual who has had the operation is a woman, suggesting that they're not suggests that they don't exist.

Very simple.

BBFAN

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

No it isn't, transgender I think you are referring to also you need an operation to become a transexual btw.

No, I know that. You're wrong.

Gravelly

BBFAN wrote: »

There you go Gravelly.

Read my question again:

could you show us where someone on this thread has actually claimed that transsexuals don't exist?

The poster above is denying that transexual men who get operations to become women are the same as women who were born as women (as several posters including myself have contended) - they are not denying that transsexuals exist.

Now, answer the question please.

Wrongway1985

BBFAN wrote: »

Do people actually realise that suggesting transsexual people don't exist is like suggesting gay people don't exist?

No it isn't, transgender I think you are referring to also you need an operation to become a transexual btw.

BBFAN

mazcon wrote: »

Or men with fannies

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Where has anyone said that trans people don't exist? Not wanting to have sex with a person who has transitioned is not the same as denying their very existence. Guilting people into sex is not a good look, everyone has a right to say no without being accused of being phobic or a bigot.

Here you go.

BBFAN

sabat wrote: »

Even if the surgeon somehow managed to cobble together a world-class vadge, you still have the butchered chest, Adam's apple, man shoulders, man forearms, man jawline, deeper voice etc to contend with. At best you're talking about a rough simulation of a woman's body.

Bless, you obviously have no experience.

ceadaoin.

BBFAN wrote: »

Do people actually realise that suggesting transsexual people don't exist is like suggesting gay people don't exist?

Are you comfortable with that statement? Or maybe you are?

Where has anyone said that trans people don't exist? Not wanting to have sex with a person who has transitioned is not the same as denying their very existence. Guilting people into sex is not a good look, everyone has a right to say no without being accused of being phobic or a bigot.

BBFAN

mazcon wrote: »

Or men with fannies

Gravelly wrote: »

Since you've now repeated it numerous times, could you show us where someone on this thread has actually claimed that transsexuals don't exist?

There you go Gravelly.

kowloon

technics121O wrote: »

lol the left is literally eating itself
us right wingers can relax and take over every government in europe, and the usa, and brazil

1488

Define Left and Right and show me evidence that one is a united front while the other is fragmented and eating itself.
Spend a little time doing this and ask yourself if the whole Left vs. Right divide isn't just dumbing things down to a point where they no longer reflect reality.

sabat

BBFAN wrote: »

And believe me I know from experience men don't give two fcuks as long as there's a vagina involved.

I defy any man to tell me different.

Even if the surgeon somehow managed to cobble together a world-class vadge, you still have the butchered chest, Adam's apple, man shoulders, man forearms, man jawline, deeper voice etc to contend with. At best you're talking about a rough simulation of a woman's body.

bodice ripper

People are allowed to not want to have sex with someone who is transgender. There are plenty of gay people who do not want to sleep with bisexuals, and that's allowed too.