Sittingpretty wrote: » I’m not a heterosexual man no, are you?
BBFAN wrote: » I never called anyone any names. Just wondering why a man wouldn't have sex with a woman he found extremely attractive and was having a lovely time with? Please explain?
Bannasidhe wrote: » What colour star or triangle do you think it should be obligatory for them to wear?
Sonic Youth wrote: » Are you asking why a man would not sleep with a transsexual? Well now, as a heterosexual man, do I want to have sex with a real woman with an actual vagina, or have sex with a man with an inverted penis? Wow what a difficult choice!
BBFAN wrote: » So you're not a heterosexual man and you're just presuming how they think? Again, hilarious. :D
Sittingpretty wrote: » Presumably because heterosexual men like to have sex with actual women who have always been women and not with men who believe themselves to be women. Obviously I can’t speak for heterosexual men but I’d imagine that may be their thinking.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » That would be fairly intense, wouldn't it? But anyway, did you get to think about why you can tell transgender people what they feel, but transgender people can't tell others that they feel they are really the opposite gender
Will I Am Not wrote: » Ah you’re not one of those people that call men transphobic for not having sex with women that used to be men?
Sittingpretty wrote: » Andrew the only way I feel you could be more active on this thread would be if we were discussing trans cyclists
jonnny68 wrote: » millennial snowflakes and the PC brigade, another day something else to be offended by, its a disease.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Actually self identification, as an example, affects all biological women, as did the abortion laws. Linehan has the same relationship to biological women in both cases, father, son, husband, possibly brother. And that’s where graham waded in - he accepts that gender dysphoria exists but opposes some of the ideas like self identification (which hurts women) and hormone treatment for children etc.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Actually he wasn’t. He was reported by the trans activist and the police showed up but nothing happened. The police basically act as a private police force for some groups.
Yer Da sells Avon wrote: » He spoke about his own family's experience and how the 8th Amendment would have affected them, had they been living in Ireland at the time. His experience of trans issues doesn't appear to extend beyond obsessively arguing on the internet about the topic, day in, day out.
jobbridge4life wrote: » Harassment is a crime. Any and all forms of crime ought to be reported and dealt with by law enforcement. In this regard I note that Linehan has been the subject of a verbal warning from police regarding harassment of a trans individual.
Bluefoam wrote: » Thats the second time you've made comments that make suggest this situation is okay and normal... it's just not, it's sexually perverse and creepy.
ceadaoin. wrote: » I could imagine would be even more humiliating for the trans person and could potentially lead to a violent response from the partner. Is it not best to be upfront as soon as the potential for a sexual relationship becomes apparent? That doesn't mean advertising it to all and sundry but surely a potential sexual partner has the right to fully informed consent?
hatrickpatrick wrote: » It's a bit different when the deceit involves a violation of someone's sexual orientation, though. If a gay man told a straight man he was a woman to get him into bed, I'm pretty sure that would count as sexual assault - it certainly has in documented cases where a woman pretended to be a man to get another woman to sleep with her.
BBFAN wrote: » So what was the problem? If this person had transitioned fully?
Bluefoam wrote: » I didn't assume either way.
BBFAN wrote: » Bluefoam wrote: » I don't have much to add to this debate, it's complex and I don't have the answers (yet)... but heres an experience I had recently: On new years eve i was out with friends, a lady approached one of the lads, she had a great (feminine) body & was genuinely an atractive looking female... However, it became evident after a couple of minutes that she was in fact a male. The first give away was body movements, mannerisims, and interactions, with that in mind I noticed her voice (not masculine, but not feminine), then small things that were hard to fully put your finger on like facial expressions or how she formed words... Two of us twigged it (it took a while) & the third guy who she was chatting up was still chatting to her. She was being overtly sexual. He eventually removed himself from the conversation & had found the same conculsion all on his own. She was incredibly close to a woman, must have spend a fortune on (high quality?) physical alterations, & was so close to being a girl, but I'm not sure those final hurdles could be reached where they were completely recognisable as a woman. To be honest, he/she/they were a bit of craic & we had no problem with them, but they were chatting up one of the lads, in a overtly sexual manner... If he wasn't able to figure it out himself & went home with them, he'd be entitled to be angry that he was suduced by a male acting as a female... Everyone in society has rights, including unsuspecting lads... I may have put this together in a ham fisted way, & I'm not trying to be negative towards the person in question, but even finding the right language to use is difficult in this scenario. Can I ask though, how do you know she still had male parts? Maybe she hadn't?
Bluefoam wrote: » I don't have much to add to this debate, it's complex and I don't have the answers (yet)... but heres an experience I had recently: On new years eve i was out with friends, a lady approached one of the lads, she had a great (feminine) body & was genuinely an atractive looking female... However, it became evident after a couple of minutes that she was in fact a male. The first give away was body movements, mannerisims, and interactions, with that in mind I noticed her voice (not masculine, but not feminine), then small things that were hard to fully put your finger on like facial expressions or how she formed words... Two of us twigged it (it took a while) & the third guy who she was chatting up was still chatting to her. She was being overtly sexual. He eventually removed himself from the conversation & had found the same conculsion all on his own. She was incredibly close to a woman, must have spend a fortune on (high quality?) physical alterations, & was so close to being a girl, but I'm not sure those final hurdles could be reached where they were completely recognisable as a woman. To be honest, he/she/they were a bit of craic & we had no problem with them, but they were chatting up one of the lads, in a overtly sexual manner... If he wasn't able to figure it out himself & went home with them, he'd be entitled to be angry that he was suduced by a male acting as a female... Everyone in society has rights, including unsuspecting lads... I may have put this together in a ham fisted way, & I'm not trying to be negative towards the person in question, but even finding the right language to use is difficult in this scenario.
jobbridge4life wrote: » So let me get this logic straight... Graham Linehan asserting harassment of his family is absolutely credible and appalling. Linehan receiving a warning from the police about his own harassment of a trans individual is a fraud. Pathetic.
ceadaoin. wrote: » The "harrassment" was referring to them by their former name which was already freely available in the public domain. This was after said person had published the name and address of linehans wife's business online in an attempt to incite people to harrass her. He's not the first person to be accused of transphobia by that person either, they even targeted a group of fellow transgender people. seems like they make a career of threatening and harrassing people.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Interestingly, you've never been transgender but you consider yourself qualified to tell transgender people what they feel. Do you see the irony?
Sittingpretty wrote: » Honestly if a man wants to be a woman or a woman wants to be a man and they are adults, let them at it. I’ve really no issue with that. However don’t expect everyone to go along with your “feeling” and bend over backwards so that a majority can accommodate an extremely demanding minority. If you are Mike and you now want to be Mary, I accept that and out of decency and manners I’ll refer to you as Mary as that is what makes you happy and I’ve no issue with anyone living out their days as whatever they wish. Do I want to share a communal women’s changing area with you? No. I do not. Would I every truly believe you are your chosen gender? No, I would not. Furthermore I don’t understand how your offended feelings about that should override my right to privacy and safety as an actual, real woman. But “I feel” like a woman in a mans body. No, no you don’t, you don’t know what it feels like to be a woman because you have never been one and every chromosome in your body is male. This is pointedly a psychological issue, not a biological one and it should be treated as such.
Sittingpretty wrote: » But “I feel” like a woman in a mans body. No, no you don’t, you don’t know what it feels like to be a woman because you have never been one and every chromosome in your body is male.
Topgear on Dave wrote: » This may make perfect sense to you.... but is actually a very controversial point of view. I wouldnt like to be a woman going on twitter saying that. They'd be labelled a TERF and there'd be a pile on.
ceadaoin. wrote: » And him and his family being targeted and harrassed by trans activists?
seamus wrote: » Sure. But this happens right now anyway. "I'm a pilot", "I'm a really big Star Wars fan too!". People deceive eachother all the time to get a ride. Right or wrong, it's a fact. Why just trans people? What makes this a special case that requires special care and attention? Is it happening all the time? Does it cause the deceived person to get hurt?
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