Gravelly wrote: » AndrewJRenko wrote: » You might want to try listening to some people who've actually been through thishttps://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/ireland-s-transgender-children-1.2171777 Anyone claiming they "knew they were in the wrong gender" at 4 or 5 is either lying or suffering from false memory. Four year olds simply don't think like that.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » You might want to try listening to some people who've actually been through thishttps://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/ireland-s-transgender-children-1.2171777
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Those numbers are fairly suspect, but on the general issue, do you think that maybe you should listen to medical and psychological experts on how to deal with people as individuals, so nobody has to get sacrificed for anybody.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Have you done much research with four year olds to inform your view? Is it possible that your direct knowledge of four year olds is not 100% comprehensive?
Gravelly wrote: » AndrewJRenko wrote: » Have you done much research with four year olds to inform your view? Is it possible that your direct knowledge of four year olds is not 100% comprehensive? Raised three of them to adulthood. What have you done?
Bambi wrote: » AndrewJRenko wrote: » Have you done much research with four year olds to inform your view? Is it possible that your direct knowledge of four year olds is not 100% comprehensive? Perhaps you can pull some research from a respectable gender studies journal to counter his claim? If you can find one that didn't republish excerpts Mein Kampf with a glowing recommendation Argument from authority doesn't cut it, and it especially doesn't cut it when the authority is a bunch of clowns.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Is it possible that other kids may be different to your three?
Bambi wrote: » Perhaps you can pull some research from a respectable gender studies journal to counter his claim? If you can find one that didn't republish excerpts Mein Kampf with a glowing recommendation Argument from authority doesn't cut it, and it especially doesn't cut it when the authority is a bunch of clowns.
Sir Oxman wrote: » https://terfisaslur.com/ This is trans activism.
Gravelly wrote: » AndrewJRenko wrote: » Is it possible that other kids may be different to your three? Any response to my question?
DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: » Christ, that's creepy as fck. Some very troubled people in there.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Does it matter? Do you want to compare family size or what? There is a whole world of people out there outside of your family circle, some of whom are different. You may not have met them personally, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist.
SoupMonster wrote: » AndrewJRenko wrote: » Those numbers are fairly suspect, but on the general issue, do you think that maybe you should listen to medical and psychological experts on how to deal with people as individuals, so nobody has to get sacrificed for anybody. The population is question here is pre-puberty kids who insistently, consistently and persistently identity as other that their sex, "are trans". If they are not continuously affirmed, socially transitioned and placed on puberty blockers, 60% to 90% will cease "being trans" and will identify with their natal sex once they go through puberty. The majority of these teens will be homosexual. If they are continuously affirmed, socially transitioned, and placed on puberty blockers (to buy time in order to make a more mature decision, supposedly), in excess of 90% will go on to cross-sex hormones, and suffer/enjoy the associated physiological and neurological affects of both the blockers (lupron usually) and x-sex hormones. These numbers are not "suspect", they are the result of meta analysis of all reputable longitudinal studies on this population.
Gravelly wrote: » AndrewJRenko wrote: » Does it matter? Do you want to compare family size or what? There is a whole world of people out there outside of your family circle, some of whom are different. You may not have met them personally, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist. Just as I expected. You've spent post after post appealing to authority, claiming people without experience shouldn't speak on a topic, and claiming experience trumps all, yet when asked for your own experience in matters you hold forth on, you appear to have none.
gmisk wrote: » James1888 wrote: » In what way do you mean prepare to suspend reality, the madness in the whole LGBT agenda on minors? Or the scientific fact that your brain isn't fully developed until 25. This sickness is being brought in to primary schools starting in September, it part of the "inclusive ciriculam" of the new sex ed program. Its sickening to think the whole way through that crap rte ****show that was just on and all the questioning they done about why this was happening. 2 mins of research and you have your answer. Brainwashed by idiot so called liberal documentarys on youtube plus poor diets and health Inc mental health no exercise and underdeveloped brains = testosterone and estrogen levels all over the place and causing feminine men and masculine women. Eat some bloody steaks people Maybe stick to watching info wars...and there stories about frogs turning gay....
James1888 wrote: » In what way do you mean prepare to suspend reality, the madness in the whole LGBT agenda on minors? Or the scientific fact that your brain isn't fully developed until 25. This sickness is being brought in to primary schools starting in September, it part of the "inclusive ciriculam" of the new sex ed program. Its sickening to think the whole way through that crap rte ****show that was just on and all the questioning they done about why this was happening. 2 mins of research and you have your answer. Brainwashed by idiot so called liberal documentarys on youtube plus poor diets and health Inc mental health no exercise and underdeveloped brains = testosterone and estrogen levels all over the place and causing feminine men and masculine women. Eat some bloody steaks people
AndrewJRenko wrote: » I'm happy to confirm that I have absolutely no professional experience on these issues, and very little personal experience. I'm also happy to confirm that raising three kids doesn't give you exhaustive personal knowledge of every child in Ireland - which is why we should be relying on proper research. Are you actually denying the existence of trans kids?
Uncharted wrote: » Gravelly wrote: » Anyone claiming they "knew they were in the wrong gender" at 4 or 5 is either lying or suffering from false memory. Four year olds simply don't think like that. Agree wholeheartedly. Parental "imput" and outsider "suggestions" more like. If the parents are new age and woke,and especially "gender fluid" leaning, guess what........wow, hey presto,here results a gender fluid non binary kid. Shock horror!!!! :rolleyes:
Gravelly wrote: » Anyone claiming they "knew they were in the wrong gender" at 4 or 5 is either lying or suffering from false memory. Four year olds simply don't think like that.
Gravelly wrote: » AndrewJRenko wrote: » I'm happy to confirm that I have absolutely no professional experience on these issues, and very little personal experience. I'm also happy to confirm that raising three kids doesn't give you exhaustive personal knowledge of every child in Ireland - which is why we should be relying on proper research. Are you actually denying the existence of trans kids? :D:D You've some neck with your calls earlier for Linehan to be barred from the discussion because he had no experience, and now claiming that you know better than people who have actually successfully reared children. Get up the yard you bluffer.
Gravelly wrote: » :D:D You've some neck with your calls earlier for Linehan to be barred from the discussion because he had no experience, and now claiming that you know better than people who have actually successfully reared children. Get up the yard you bluffer.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Funnily enough, I haven’t been putting myself forward for Prime Time either, so the comparison to Glinner isn't really relevant.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » But it is interesting to note your desperate avoidance of the reality that other people's children may be different to yours. Why do you find it so difficult to face up to that?
Faugheen wrote: » What does Graham Linehan actually know about the subject though? He's not trans. He has no experience of being trans and he hasn't anything in the way of research or study into trans issues. He literally just rants because he doesn't like it. What on Earth does that do for anyone only piss off and add to the stigma that trans people have to endure? If he studied trans issues academically or experienced what trans people go through, and he had something to back up his rants with, then we'd be having a different conversation. Having him on wasn't about providing 'balance', it was about getting a contrarian view in a bid to cause a bit of controversy even though he literally has nothing in the way of experience in the issues they face. I don't have any experience with trans people. I don't know any personally, I don't work with any and I've never studied it. Should I be allowed to be given a platform to rant about why people who rant about it are wrong?
AndrewJRenko wrote: » The Wexford mother on Prime Time couldn't be further from your jaded stereotype of 'woke' parents. Would you like to find another way to blame her for her trans child?
AndrewJRenko wrote: » The number I said was suspect was the 80/20 split. You're now saying that it could be a 60/40 split. So you've confirmed my suspicion - thanks. The key issue is that there are a percentage of trans children out there. Are we going to bury our heads in the sand and pretend that it doesn't happen?
Gravelly wrote: » Faugheen wrote: » What does Graham Linehan actually know about the subject though? He's not trans. He has no experience of being trans and he hasn't anything in the way of research or study into trans issues. He literally just rants because he doesn't like it. What on Earth does that do for anyone only piss off and add to the stigma that trans people have to endure? If he studied trans issues academically or experienced what trans people go through, and he had something to back up his rants with, then we'd be having a different conversation. Having him on wasn't about providing 'balance', it was about getting a contrarian view in a bid to cause a bit of controversy even though he literally has nothing in the way of experience in the issues they face. I don't have any experience with trans people. I don't know any personally, I don't work with any and I've never studied it. Should I be allowed to be given a platform to rant about why people who rant about it are wrong? As far as I'm aware, Linehan's only knowledge of the subject is that he has been the victim of a campaign of harassment by "trans activists" - but he is as entitled as anyone else to give his opinion on a subject that is a cause of concern to many. I wasn't the one trying to shut down Linehans, the bould Andrew was - with the claim that he shouldn't be allowed to speak on it because he has no experience (a view you seem to share) - that's just a teeny bit hypocritical when the same Andrew was holding forth on what 4 or 5 year olds know or don't know, when it appears he knows as much about them as I do about Northern Hairy-nosed wombats.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Choosing him for Prime Time was a poor decision, solely designed to cause controversy.
mazcon wrote: » I would agree that in the case of adult women being refused sterilisation we see state over reach. However, in the case of prepubescent children who can have no concept of the importance fertility or sexual function might have in their lives surely the principle of "first do no harm" must come into play. Puberty resolves dysphoria in the majority of cases, it is also vital for cognitive and social maturation. Stopping it is not a benign act and if the child then goes on to cross sex hormones they miss out entirely on this vitally important development stage. From a purely practical perspective, for a MtF transitioner this will also mean there isn't enough penile tissue to create a neo vagina so the procedure is much more complicated. If there is the slightest chance the child might desist it would appear a watchful waiting approach is preferable.
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