Gravelly wrote: » And didn't the guy (who's name I can't remember) who runs the clinic in Dublin say that people are sidestepping the process in order to go abroad for surgery, and the new proposed law will make this even easier.
canonball5 wrote: » With 47% of trans people committing suicide post op, it's clearly more of a psychology issue than a biology issue.
Results: The suicide attempt rate among transgender persons ranges from 32% to 50% across the countries. Gender-based victimization, discrimination, bullying, violence, being rejected by the family, friends, and community; harassment by intimate partner, family members, police and public; discrimination and ill treatment at health-care system are the major risk factors that influence the suicidal behavior among transgender persons.
Calhoun wrote: » What's the new proposed law ? I guess the next act in this saga is they will claim it's unsafe for then to travel abroad so we should remove all protections so they can do it here .
Gravelly wrote: » Something to do with lowering the age when someone can get a cert saying they identify as whatever gender they want.
Calhoun wrote: » I am not sure how we would tackle that one, where do 16 year olds get the money to go abroad. I am sure it will get through without any issues though and next they will lower it to 12 like other jurisdictions.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » They go through this process only after a psychiatric evaluation. But you think you know better than qualified medical professionals.
sabat wrote: » One word. Lobotomy.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » I definitely recommend you have one.
sabat wrote: » Not really a good response when I so easily invalidated your belief that psychiatrists should be blindly deferred to when they start performing experimental life-altering surgery.
TCM wrote: » Not going to bother reading previous posts. What I will say is that we live in a democracy and he is entitled to express his opinion even if others disagree with his views.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » I think you've watched One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest one too many times.
sabat wrote: » Two insults instead of an actual response? That means I'm right. Thanks.
Calhoun wrote: » Even with the psychiatrist evaluation though I am not in favor of kids going using hormone blockers or going through surgery.
seamus wrote: » What does it matter to you? What business is it of yours? What makes you think you have the right or authority to make this decision for someone else? They make the decision, they get assessed by qualified professionals so that we as a society know we are doing our best to ensure that it's an honest and informed choice, and not something rash that will be an issue later on. And if they still choose to do it, then why prevent them? What is people's obsession with thinking they have the right to make personal choices for others?
seamus wrote: » And if they still choose to do it, then why prevent them? What is people's obsession with thinking they have the right to make personal choices for others?
NIMAN wrote: » It's a very serious issue and it has to be nipped in the bud now. We can't let 12 yr old children make decisions that might often ruin their lives as adults.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » the gender that they've known is wrong for them since they were 4 or 5?
AndrewJRenko wrote: » And 'nip it in the bud', you mean 'force them to live through their difficult teenage years as the gender that they've known is wrong for them since they were 4 or 5? Is it any wonder that they have mental health issues when you're response is to pretend there is no problem?
Gravelly wrote: » AndrewJRenko wrote: » the gender that they've known is wrong for them since they were 4 or 5? A 4 or 5 year old doesn't know anything about gender, and couldn't tell you if they're wearing the wrong size shoes.
mazcon wrote: » AndrewJRenko wrote: » And 'nip it in the bud', you mean 'force them to live through their difficult teenage years as the gender that they've known is wrong for them since they were 4 or 5? Is it any wonder that they have mental health issues when you're response is to pretend there is no problem? With an estimated 80% of these children resolving their dysphoria by going through puberty how on earth can you safely diagnose which ones will persist and which desist? Should the 80% be sacrificed for the 20%?
AndrewJRenko wrote: » You might want to try listening to some people who've actually been through thishttps://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/ireland-s-transgender-children-1.2171777
mazcon wrote: » Women in their twenties and thirties are routinely refused sterilisation because they're too young and might change their minds but we are to accept that children as young as twelve can make decisions about their future fertility and sexual function?
seamus wrote: » I'm not sure how pointing out one example of state over-reach is supposed to justify another? There is no justifiable basis for a doctor to refuse to sterilise an adult woman on request.
Gravelly wrote: » Anyone claiming they "knew they were in the wrong gender" at 4 or 5 is either lying or suffering from false memory. Four year olds simply don't think like that.
