deRanged wrote: » first thing I've seen in ages. Cork County Council will vote on it next week.link
deRanged wrote: » Voted yes, unanimously. On to the next hurdle.
marno21 wrote: » It'll be super come 2030 when a train to the booming Cork city centre with reduced car access becomes viable from Youghal and there's a proposal to reopen the railway. Then all the Midleton people kick up a fuss and the plan is dropped because of political concerns. Youghal is the one that gets screwed. Youghal is close enough to Cork to be a commuter town, it's not of sufficient scale to be able to develop independently. It's closer to Cork than Drogheda is to Dublin for instance.
deRanged wrote: » There were over 300 submissions on the greenway idea, so there will be strong voices for and against. I don't think it's anywhere near done and dusted yet. I also read that they changed the plans to have the entrance from the train station in Midleton. I'm amazed that anywhere else was considered in the first place.
mordeith wrote: » The fact that the Greenway is approved on the basis that it can be reverted to other purposes would suggest any appeals would not be successful. Have a Greenway now and if a railway is viable in the future go back to that.
whisky_galore wrote: » Once a greenway always a greenway, evidence from the UK suggests that reverting to a railway almost never happens even if there is a business case for reopening. Regarding Youghal, I think it was a foregone conclusion that they would vote for a greenway, there's little appetite in Ireland for public transport even for the greater good. Even the Luas works were greeted with whinging that business would be affected. Dublin would choke in traffic without it now. Irish Rail had to be dragged kicking and screaming to rebuild to Midleton, where would we be without that now??
Cork Trucker wrote: » The need to be dragged kicking and screaming to do the rest of it as well.
whisky_galore wrote: » Youghal isn't as proactive as Midleton. Look at the state of the place. That Perks place that greets you on the approach to the town, with the broken cartoon characters on the facade, right next to abject dereliction looks like something out of the former USSR. Elsewhere, peeling paint, ugly apartments and boarded up dreadfulness. The beach down by Red Barn is full of rubbish that's been there for years.
Cork Trucker wrote: » The Midleton line isn't all that fantastic either, not even turning a profit,
Cork Trucker wrote: » The Midleton line isn't all that fantastic either, not even turning a profit, but it still has a good service that can avoid the congested N25.
marno21 wrote: » There are no profitable railways in Ireland. Profitability isn't a factor here
questionmark? wrote: » Name a railway that turns a profit in ireland? Midleton and Cobh lines are doing quite well and continue to get more and more popular. The line to Youghal would simply cost too much to serve too few people. The priority in Cork suburban rail is the planned/proposed stations at Midleton West (in middle of zoned land for 5k houses) , Carrigtowhill West in the IDA park, Tivoli (long term as part of plans for housing there) and Blackpool. All of these are way ahead in importance than re-opening Youghal.
Cork Trucker wrote: » Marno21 saved me answering the first bit of your question. The saying was always that as long as the Cobh railway stays open there is hope for Youghal. Mogeely,Killeagh,Castlemartyr & Youghal have all grown extensively in the last 30 years, further growth likely to happen in the next 30, i don't buy into an IR study that shows it wouldn't be feasible, it's what they want themselves. The Blackpool station is shelved permanently in all but name, Kenneth O'Flynn the Cllr confirmed this to me in an email. Carrigtwohill will happen. Tivoli is going to be held up in part by the M28 being delayed possibly, while everything may transfer to Ringaskiddy pre M28, it won't be as efficient as people would want without the motorway, that is for the M28 thread though.
Cork Trucker wrote: » Youghal is in bad need of investment, the train service would have kick started that, god knows Bus Eireann provide a poor service that is either late or never shows up. I know perks well and recall it when it was located by the beach itself prior to the apartments being built. The Midleton line isn't all that fantastic either, not even turning a profit, but it still has a good service that can avoid the congested N25. Closing railways to open greenways is not the way to get people to shift from private cars to public transport, trains are far more reliable and no traffic either.
pukeko wrote: » There is no doubt Youghal is in dire need to investment. Growing tourism in the area would be one way to kick start that. Let the track become a greenway, get people visiting the area again, and spending money, and then lets see what comes of that.
Cork Trucker wrote: » It won't mirror the success of the Deise Greenway, this is part of what Cork County Council are going on.
whisky_galore wrote: » Youghal doesn't have anything as appealing and I doubt a greenway would encourage it out of its slumber and make something of itself.
Cork Trucker wrote: » The saying was always that as long as the Cobh railway stays open there is hope for Youghal. Mogeely,Killeagh,Castlemartyr & Youghal have all grown extensively in the last 30 years, further growth likely to happen in the next 30, i don't buy into an IR study that shows it wouldn't be feasible, it's what they want themselves. The Blackpool station is shelved permanently in all but name, Kenneth O'Flynn the Cllr confirmed this to me in an email. Carrigtwohill will happen. Tivoli is going to be held up in part by the M28 being delayed possibly, while everything may transfer to Ringaskiddy pre M28, it won't be as efficient as people would want without the motorway, that is for the M28 thread though.
Bacchus wrote: » To add to JonathonS's post, while I agree that Youghal needs regeneration, it has a couple of things going for it that could be added to easily. It already has a fantastic beach front and boardwalk... which will probably be the most attractive scenery connected to this route (is there anything of note along the route itself?) and therefore a nice end point (or starting point). If I'm not mistaken, the Walter Raleigh hotel was refurbished in the last 2 years too which at least puts some beach front luxury in the heart of Youghal again. Priory Coffee in the town is a fantastic cafe for those passing through (they've even opened a branch in Cork City and Mallow). I've not been but my wife has said great things about the Regal cinema that offers a bit of a different cinema experience to the likes of Omniplex. Sure, it's not a big list but it's not nothing, and you'd hope Youghal would seize the opportunity to make the extra push and give people more reasons to stop for a visit. I've never really been behind the greenway idea (preferring a rail line) but if this is what's going in, I wish it every success and I look forward to making use of it (especially considering how closely it'll pass by where I live). If it help Youghal in any way, then yay to that.
pukeko wrote: » Glenbower woods and The Old Thatch pub in Killeagh are also along the route and both worth a visit.
Cork Trucker wrote: » A fcuking joke :mad::mad::mad:https://twitter.com/echolivecork/status/1176457471399010304
