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Calls for Graham Linehan to be removed from Prime Debate on transgender issues!

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Prime Time are airing a special about transgender issues on Tuesday night at 21:35. I believe it mainly involves young people but will also show older people who have transitioned.
Graham Linehan is due to appear on this but a petition has being started to have him removed. There was an article on the matter on an Irish newspaper website but it has being removed.
Where do people stand on this matter?

Personally I can see both sides on the matter when it comes to kids/teenagers transitioning and how it may effect them in the long term since it's such a big change to make but I'm no expert on the matter.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/opposition-to-father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-being-on-tv-transgender-debate-skz8mp2rb

https://www.change.org/p/donogh-diamond-rte-to-remove-graham-linehan-piece-from-upcoming-prime-time-show-on-transgender-issues

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tritium

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Eh, he wasn't on Prime Time. And immigration is not abortion or marriage equality.

Who the hell gave you the right to tell anyone what the hierarchy in social issues should be?

If anything immigration is a far more immediate and life or death question for a greater number of people.

Gravelly

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Mermaids does not actively csmpaign for children to transition. You are just making that up.

You'd want to tell their Chief Executive that, she seems to take a different view:

https://twitter.com/green_susie100/status/1059817455395237888?s=09

Rory28

tritium wrote: »

Though tbh being anything beyond supportive and there for teens on their sexuality is also a no no for me. The analogy in your example would be actively taking your kids to gay bars/ strip clubs to make sure they got a full experience nice and early rather than actually making sure they had the information to make their decision in a measured way rather than rush in without time to build experience and understand their feelings properly.

You must have a low opinion of us if you think that is what being gay means. Jaysus

Annasopra

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It's a trans charity that actively campaigns for children to be able to transition. The woman in charge took her child to Thailand at the age of 16 for surgery. This is and was illegal in the UK, and is now illegal in Thailand. that's not ok. If you look into these things you'll find there's usually more to it than someone being a bigot.

Mermaids does not actively csmpaign for children to transition. You are just making that up.

Gravelly

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Eh, he wasn't on Prime Time. And immigration is not abortion or marriage equality.

Jaysus your poor back will be broken from moving those goalposts.

[Deleted User]

jmayo wrote: »

A few things that leap out for me from all the recent debates.
Children should not be transitioned, they are not capable of making that decision.

Not transitioning IS making a decision - a decision to spend those critical teenage years in a gender that is wrong for you.

Are they capable of making that decision?

[Deleted User]

jmayo wrote: »

Eh how many times was Liam Cunningham, an actor, on various current affair shows voicing his supposed expert opinion on immigration and migrants ?

From recollection he was on current affairs programs a couple of times.

Eh, he wasn't on Prime Time. And immigration is not abortion or marriage equality.

tritium

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

And same for the whole gay thing, presumably? Let's make sure that teenagers don't feel accepted or anything?

Hell of a difference between accepting someone’s choice of sexual partners and advocating for letting someone jump right in to massive and potentially irreversible changes tbh but you go right ahead with that straw man.

Though tbh being anything beyond supportive and there for teens on their sexuality is also a no no for me. The analogy in your example would be actively taking your kids to gay bars/ strip clubs to make sure they got a full experience nice and early rather than actually making sure they had the information to make their decision in a measured way rather than rush in without time to build experience and understand their feelings properly.

jmayo

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

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What celebrities/left leaning media people where wheeled out on Prime Time specifically to give their wholly inexpert views?

Eh how many times was Liam Cunningham, an actor, on various current affair shows voicing his supposed expert opinion on immigration and migrants ?

From recollection he was on current affairs programs a couple of times.

The transgender debate seems to be getting quite nasty.
Watching documentary on British TV channel a while back, a debate being held had bouncers trying to keep one gang of loonies out and ended up with police being called.

And there seems to be real hatred amongst some trans people for anyone who isn't and you end up with the lunacy where some ones complain women from birth can't now speak for females. :rolleyes:

A few things that leap out for me from all the recent debates.
Children should not be transitioned, they are not capable of making that decision.
Former males should not be allowed compete in physical sports against born females.
We should not be creating a myriad of gender descriptions to suit everyone and anyone.

Adults can transition all they want.
Good luck to them.

Gravelly

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I'm getting it clearly tbf. It is very clear how desperate you are to focus on the 'disguise' issue, though this clearly is a tiny factor. The vast majority of sexual assaults have nothing to do with disguises. If your priority is really to protect women, why are you obsessively focused on this non-issue and ignoring the huge danger to our womenfolk from plumbers?

I didn't make the plumber comparison, you did - don't try to turn this on me just because that comparison has been shown up to be silly.

[Deleted User]

tritium wrote: »

I confess I’m not particularly comfortable with teenagers being ‘just accepted’ in choices like this while they’re still very changeable and don’t fully understand just how life changing it could be. That would be true for any decision not just this - one role of adults is to help guide teenagers through those years and “whatever you want or feel like” doesn’t seem to fulfill this.

And same for the whole gay thing, presumably? Let's make sure that teenagers don't feel accepted or anything?

tritium

Haha read his piece in the IT this morning. What a tool bag. Apparently it’s the misogynists fault, they’re the ones advocating for liberal laws for transgender that allow teens to be transitioned more easily.

He’s so far up his own arse that he’s managed to take a viewpoint of the extreme liberal left and attribute it to the extreme right. It’s all the patriarchy luvvie! And the IT is so immersed in their own identity politics that they’ve actually printed this ****e.

I confess I’m not particularly comfortable with teenagers being ‘just accepted’ in choices like this while they’re still very changeable and don’t fully understand just how life changing it could be. That would be true for any decision not just this - one role of adults is to help guide teenagers through those years and “whatever you want or feel like” doesn’t seem to fulfill this.

That said, seeing Linehan savaged by his own mob doesn’t exactly fill me with sorrow when you see the crap he spouts.

[Deleted User]

Gravelly wrote: »

I'll try a third time, since you don't seem to be getting this:

Are plumbers, or their representatives attempting to make it illegal to confront a plumber who disguises himself as a woman and walks into the bathroom with a young girl?

If not (and we both know they aren't) then the comparison is ridiculous.

I'm getting it clearly tbf. It is very clear how desperate you are to focus on the 'disguise' issue, though this clearly is a tiny factor. The vast majority of sexual assaults have nothing to do with disguises. If your priority is really to protect women, why are you obsessively focused on this non-issue and ignoring the huge danger to our womenfolk from plumbers?

facehugger99

charlotte.york wrote: »

I am a doctor and one of the concerns we face is that with puberty blockers the penis wont fully develop. This can mean it is too small for it be transformed into a neo vagina later on. So it is not a trivial issue and I feel a lot of the armchair experts here are over stretching tbf.

Gravelly

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Yes, they are in your houses with unfettered access to your wives and your daughters right now, under the pretext of 'fixing the boiler' - just like the lad in Texas. Surely we need to have a serious conversation about plumbers then?

That's how it works, right? One obscure, unusual case anywhere in the world justifies hysteria and warnings, right?

I'll try a third time, since you don't seem to be getting this:

Are plumbers, or their representatives attempting to make it illegal to confront a plumber who disguises himself as a woman and walks into the bathroom with a young girl?

If not (and we both know they aren't) then the comparison is ridiculous.

[Deleted User]

Gravelly wrote: »

Again, are plumbers or their representatives calling for plumbers to be allowed unfettered access to girls and women, while disguising who they are?
If not, your comparison is meaningless.

Yes, they are in your houses with unfettered access to your wives and your daughters right now, under the pretext of 'fixing the boiler' - just like the lad in Texas. Surely we need to have a serious conversation about plumbers then?

That's how it works, right? One obscure, unusual case anywhere in the world justifies hysteria and warnings, right?

Gravelly

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

No, not at all - but that didn't prevent the abuse taking place. And it won't prevent future cases of abuse by plumbers taking place.

So we need warning about plumbers now, presumably?

Again, are plumbers or their representatives calling for plumbers to be allowed unfettered access to girls and women, while disguising who they are?
If not, your comparison is meaningless.

[Deleted User]

Gravelly wrote: »

Is the Texas plumbers union calling for male plumbers to be allowed to use girls changing rooms and bathrooms while pretending to be female?

No, not at all - but that didn't prevent the abuse taking place. And it won't prevent future cases of abuse by plumbers taking place.

So we need warning about plumbers now, presumably?

[Deleted User]

charlotte.york wrote: »

I am a doctor and one of the concerns we face is that with puberty blockers the penis wont fully develop. This can mean it is too small for it be transformed into a neo vagina later on. So it is not a trivial issue and I feel a lot of the armchair experts here are over stretching tbf.

Is there any good research on this?

Given that it is doctors who are prescribing the blockers in the first place, isn't this something that the profession should be sorting out within the professional bodies and regulators?

Gravelly

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Do we need "to warn people" about every possible source of sexual abuse, including the much more common sources within families, or do we just focus on this one particularly obscure and unusual case? Do we need "to warn people" about plumbers, given the recent case of sexual abuse by a plumber in Texas?

Is the Texas plumbers union calling for male plumbers to be allowed to use girls changing rooms and bathrooms while pretending to be female?

[Deleted User]

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

His a bit of a twat, but all he did was highlight what this person did before they reassigned their gender. To warn people.

Do we need "to warn people" about every possible source of sexual abuse, including the much more common sources within families, or do we just focus on this one particularly obscure and unusual case? Do we need "to warn people" about plumbers, given the recent case of sexual abuse by a plumber in Texas?

I see a protest is planned for RTE tonight

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c.p.w.g.w

charlotte.york wrote: »

I am a doctor and one of the concerns we face is that with puberty blockers the penis wont fully develop. This can mean it is too small for it be transformed into a neo vagina later on. So it is not a trivial issue and I feel a lot of the armchair experts here are over stretching tbf.

Another issue is, they are children who have brains that are still developing. And we are allowing them to undergo irreversible surgery/hormone treatments.

I think Ruby rose(Ozzie model), wanted to be a boy when she was going up. Now as an adult she is happy with being s woman, and of having children someday. If she was going up today, she probably would have been allowed to transition. That is concerning

charlotte.york

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

His a bit of a twat, but all he did was highlight what this person did before they reassigned their gender. To warn people.

But the issue of transitioning for kids its something I feel very uncomfortable with. They can't legally consent. There is cases were gender dysporphia can be resolved without surgery. But if they still want to transition when they are adults, go ahead do what every you want.

Body integrity dysphoria is another condition, where people are repulsed by certain parts of there body, like their arms, but we don't go amputating their arms. So why is gender different.

I'm probably going to be called transphobic now, yet I couldn't give a toss if you transition as long as its a fully informed adult who consents

I am a doctor and one of the concerns we face is that with puberty blockers the penis wont fully develop. This can mean it is too small for it be transformed into a neo vagina later on. So it is not a trivial issue and I feel a lot of the armchair experts here are over stretching tbf.

c.p.w.g.w

His a bit of a twat, but all he did was highlight what this person did before they reassigned their gender. To warn people.

But the issue of transitioning for kids its something I feel very uncomfortable with. They can't legally consent. There is cases were gender dysporphia can be resolved without surgery. But if they still want to transition when they are adults, go ahead do what every you want.

Body integrity dysphoria is another condition, where people are repulsed by certain parts of there body, like their arms, but we don't go amputating their arms. So why is gender different.

I'm probably going to be called transphobic now, yet I couldn't give a toss if you transition as long as its a fully informed adult who consents

[Deleted User]

Dante7 wrote: »

This thread is not about me so it is unlikely that my few posts would have attracted the attention of the pronoun mob. But if I were to post the same thoughts on twitter using my real name, they would descend like the bots in the matrix.

Yeah, there are all kinds of bots on Twitter all right - covering all kinds of extreme opinions, both extreme right and extreme left

charlotte.york

Bambi wrote: »

Chicken and egg scenario there I suspect

It isnt really though

Dante7

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Has anyone branded you as a transphobe or bigot on this thread?

This thread is not about me so it is unlikely that my few posts would have attracted the attention of the pronoun mob. But if I were to post the same thoughts on twitter using my real name, they would descend like the bots in the matrix.

donkeykong5

branie2 wrote: »

I think his scenes were filmed already

Just seen advert on rte. It's on tomorrow at 9.35pm rte1.

branie2

I think his scenes were filmed already

[Deleted User]

Dante7 wrote: »

What z/he said. But it is becoming increasingly difficult to discuss or investigate this without being branded a transpbobe or bigot or alt-right.

The only way it would be less likely to get funding from a major university to study this would be if you got James Watson to sponsor the application.

Has anyone branded you as a transphobe or bigot on this thread?