BorneTobyWilde wrote: » The only way the Brexit deal is going to be modified by next Tuesdays vote is by putting the word ''Modified '' in front of the current deal. Her plan B is Plan A
Water John wrote: » Kowtow, the UK Govn'ts own document expect between 13 and 25% of goods to get shipped cross channel. That sounds like a much bigger problem than a few minutes delay or a payment to an agent.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Blushing after taking a roasting from the guy in the audience didn't help her case. She struck me as underbriefed and told to tow a certain line.
Hurrache wrote: » She's pretty good at what she does, and knows when to be diplomatic I suppose.
lawred2 wrote: » Helen McEntee talks a lot without saying much at all.
johnnyskeleton wrote: » I dont think you read my post or the context at all in the scramble to find Brexiteers under the bed. The other poster was suggesting that requiring a customs check for UK goods at Irish ports to ensure the integrity of the customs union woild require carrying out such checks on all Irish exports, in an attempt to exaggerate the amount of checks that would actually have to be done to ensure the integrity of the customs union i.e. those from the UK into the EU via Ireland. Goods destined for Iran, for example, wouldnt need this check in order to comply with common market rules.
johnnyskeleton wrote: » People in other EU member states are already eating Argentinian and Brazilian beef etc. But leaving that aside, yes you cant test everything. What you can do is test enough, and make non compliancw suficiently punitive, that the level of non compliance is acceptably low. The reason I mention the horsemeat scandal is precisely to illustrate that point. You can never have 100% control of a market or of standards. All you can do is impose a robust regulatory regieme to ensure compliance. Which is a lot easier to do in a few well managed ports than it is kn a 500km meandering land border
branie2 wrote: » Being discussed on Claire Byrne live now
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Exactly. The eleventh hour has come and gone. There is always a slim chance that the EU will shaft us or twist our arm before March 29th but that would be self-defeating in the long term.
Enzokk wrote: » I think the journalists and now politicians that are of this thinking are confusing what happens at the last minute. Yes, trade deals are negotiated until the last minute and there are nights where those negotiating these deals are working until morning to get the deal done. This is because they don't have unlimited time together to get the deals done and would only have a window where the negotiations can happen. The UK has already had its last minute negotiations with the EU. The time to change the deal has passed already and the timeline for getting the deal approved was known by all when the negotiations started.
Seth Brundle wrote: » The UK are in no position to be making demands from the EU!
10000maniacs wrote: » Remember we were all inadvertently eating horse meat up to 2013 which somehow got past EU phytosanitary standards checking. If there was 100% rigorous checking, this would never have happened.
prawnsambo wrote: » They're eating a controlled amount of Argentinian and Brazilian beef which has to meet EU phytosanitary standards and is checked rigorously. You can't ramp that effort up to the levels of the hundreds of thousands of tons of beef that Ireland exports every year.
kowtow wrote: » ... there certainly weren't delays on occasions that I recall - not even delays in during an August when two trucks from different continents managed to arrive within minutes of each other despite six inches of untimely mountain snow, I remember laughing at it at the time. None of which is to say that there aren't often delays at the border, there are of course, but if someone is moving between countries that kind of thing is a relatively small part of the overall disruption and frankly not a big issue compared to things like residence status, ability to work etc.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Interesting article (by the BBC no less) on that very point. Essentially, the article says that history shows that the EU does not blink at the last minute.https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46488619?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/cp7r8vgl2rgt/reality-check&link_location=live-reporting-story
johnnyskeleton wrote: I dont think the see who blinks first approach suits anyone, but it particularly isnt in the style of the EU, who have been trying to reach compromises to date. If there is a practical solution available to the EU they will explore it.
johnnyskeleton wrote: » So 30k tonnes can be checked but hundreds of thousands cant be?
First Up wrote: » The EU is not trying to achieve a deal with the UK. It is waiting for the UK to figure out how it is going to accept the only deal it is going to get.
Mr.Nice Guy wrote: » Notice how she trotted out the line that the EU does deals at the 11th hour which is a frequent comment from David Davis.
johnnyskeleton wrote: Perhaps, or perhaps in order to achieve a deal with the UK they can accept some checks on goods shipped from Ireland to other EU countries.
johnnyskeleton wrote: » People in other EU member states are already eating Argentinian and Brazilian beef etc. But leaving that aside, yes you cant test everything. What you can do is test enough, and make non compliancw suficiently punitive, that the level of non compliance is acceptably low.
lawred2 wrote: » Katya Adler on BBC telling their viewers that palms are sweaty across the EU.. the Polish utterance being evidence of it apparently. But yet then tells us that the EU says that there will be no watering down whatever of the agreement.. Such nonsense reporting
fly_agaric wrote: » Not really. That horse meat episode is small fry compared to what could happen if we have an open border with a post hard Brexit UK going down the route of a bonfire of holdover EU regulations + importing from around the world. You can't test everything and cover all the possible kinds of frauds and scams opened up in such a scenario. If we still have an open border with UK through the north, any goods coming from here onto the continent (or indeed being exported further afield) will be suspect. People in other EU states (or those who import from us outside the EU) are not going to expose themselves to that. No one is that altruistic (or daft)!
kowtow wrote: » There were clearance charges as I remember although I don't recall them being extravagant. And there certainly weren't delays on occasions that I recall - not even delays in during an August when two trucks from different continents managed to arrive within minutes of each other despite six inches of untimely mountain snow, I remember laughing at it at the time. None of which is to say that there aren't often delays at the border, there are of course, but if someone is moving between countries that kind of thing is a relatively small part of the overall disruption and frankly not a big issue compared to things like residence status, ability to work etc.
