Water John wrote: » May is playing for the options being, her deal or no deal. That is why she is running it as close to the deadline as possible. It's not complicated, very simple plan, that is Plan A and it will always be Plan A.
brickster69 wrote: » "I shall have succeeded in my task if the final deal is so hard on the British that in the end they’ll prefer staying in the EU”: 2016, quoted in this week’s @LePoint. Sounds plausible, shame it has backfired on a huge scale.
CelticRambler wrote: » There speaks a true Brexiteer. Our goods, traded with the rest of the world, are traded as EU goods. We are the EU. We deal with the UK by treating it as a third country, the same as every other third country, and treating whatever comes out of their fields and factories with suspicion until proven otherwise.
prawnsambo wrote: » Yeah, the Swiss border is notorious for delays. What the poster also left out is that it costs to get your goods cleared. You have to pay an agent and each shipment is charged for. So a groupage load is nice money for an agent.
Mezcita wrote: » Curious as to why nobody has tried to push Corbyn out yet though. Surely they must be getting worried with Labour being behind in the polls despite the Tories being so useless.
kowtow wrote: » There were clearance charges as I remember although I don't recall them being extravagant. And there certainly weren't delays on occasions that I recall - not even delays in during an August when two trucks from different continents managed to arrive within minutes of each other despite six inches of untimely mountain snow, I remember laughing at it at the time. None of which is to say that there aren't often delays at the border, there are of course, but if someone is moving between countries that kind of thing is a relatively small part of the overall disruption and frankly not a big issue compared to things like residence status, ability to work etc.
fly_agaric wrote: » Not really. That horse meat episode is small fry compared to what could happen if we have an open border with a post hard Brexit UK going down the route of a bonfire of holdover EU regulations + importing from around the world. You can't test everything and cover all the possible kinds of frauds and scams opened up in such a scenario. If we still have an open border with UK through the north, any goods coming from here onto the continent (or indeed being exported further afield) will be suspect. People in other EU states (or those who import from us outside the EU) are not going to expose themselves to that. No one is that altruistic (or daft)!
lawred2 wrote: » Katya Adler on BBC telling their viewers that palms are sweaty across the EU.. the Polish utterance being evidence of it apparently. But yet then tells us that the EU says that there will be no watering down whatever of the agreement.. Such nonsense reporting
johnnyskeleton wrote: » People in other EU member states are already eating Argentinian and Brazilian beef etc. But leaving that aside, yes you cant test everything. What you can do is test enough, and make non compliancw suficiently punitive, that the level of non compliance is acceptably low.
johnnyskeleton wrote: Perhaps, or perhaps in order to achieve a deal with the UK they can accept some checks on goods shipped from Ireland to other EU countries.
prawnsambo wrote: » They're eating a controlled amount of Argentinian and Brazilian beef which has to meet EU phytosanitary standards and is checked rigorously. You can't ramp that effort up to the levels of the hundreds of thousands of tons of beef that Ireland exports every year.
Mr.Nice Guy wrote: » Notice how she trotted out the line that the EU does deals at the 11th hour which is a frequent comment from David Davis.
First Up wrote: » The EU is not trying to achieve a deal with the UK. It is waiting for the UK to figure out how it is going to accept the only deal it is going to get.
johnnyskeleton wrote: » So 30k tonnes can be checked but hundreds of thousands cant be?
johnnyskeleton wrote: I dont think the see who blinks first approach suits anyone, but it particularly isnt in the style of the EU, who have been trying to reach compromises to date. If there is a practical solution available to the EU they will explore it.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Interesting article (by the BBC no less) on that very point. Essentially, the article says that history shows that the EU does not blink at the last minute.https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46488619?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/cp7r8vgl2rgt/reality-check&link_location=live-reporting-story
kowtow wrote: » ... there certainly weren't delays on occasions that I recall - not even delays in during an August when two trucks from different continents managed to arrive within minutes of each other despite six inches of untimely mountain snow, I remember laughing at it at the time. None of which is to say that there aren't often delays at the border, there are of course, but if someone is moving between countries that kind of thing is a relatively small part of the overall disruption and frankly not a big issue compared to things like residence status, ability to work etc.
10000maniacs wrote: » Remember we were all inadvertently eating horse meat up to 2013 which somehow got past EU phytosanitary standards checking. If there was 100% rigorous checking, this would never have happened.
Seth Brundle wrote: » The UK are in no position to be making demands from the EU!
Enzokk wrote: » I think the journalists and now politicians that are of this thinking are confusing what happens at the last minute. Yes, trade deals are negotiated until the last minute and there are nights where those negotiating these deals are working until morning to get the deal done. This is because they don't have unlimited time together to get the deals done and would only have a window where the negotiations can happen. The UK has already had its last minute negotiations with the EU. The time to change the deal has passed already and the timeline for getting the deal approved was known by all when the negotiations started.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Exactly. The eleventh hour has come and gone. There is always a slim chance that the EU will shaft us or twist our arm before March 29th but that would be self-defeating in the long term.
