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Calls for Graham Linehan to be removed from Prime Debate on transgender issues!

freshpopcorn

Prime Time are airing a special about transgender issues on Tuesday night at 21:35. I believe it mainly involves young people but will also show older people who have transitioned.
Graham Linehan is due to appear on this but a petition has being started to have him removed. There was an article on the matter on an Irish newspaper website but it has being removed.
Where do people stand on this matter?

Personally I can see both sides on the matter when it comes to kids/teenagers transitioning and how it may effect them in the long term since it's such a big change to make but I'm no expert on the matter.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/opposition-to-father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-being-on-tv-transgender-debate-skz8mp2rb

https://www.change.org/p/donogh-diamond-rte-to-remove-graham-linehan-piece-from-upcoming-prime-time-show-on-transgender-issues

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ste

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

That’s not how it ended up. Dee didn’t want the guys in her toilet. The ending was calling it an animal sh1thouse.

Self identification has a clear effect on women’s spaces, prisons, refuges and sports.

Not really that edge case.

I watched the full ep alright but I thought it was pretty pointed that the obvious answer was to call both them toilets. Yes they then went on & ramped up the gag.

Please about those 4 sets of circumstances, what is the Implication?

I think a solution or reason could be used to minimize any discomfort/worry there. Obviously also there are arguments around sexual orientation & of course peados & predators can exist in both genders attracted to either/both.

Billy86

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

If Billy wants to put on a dress and call himself Mary, I can't see the issue.

I do have an issue with censoring people who state that Billy's wearing a dress.

I only did that a couple of times! :mad:

HandsomeBob

squawker wrote: »

I know nothing about yer man apart from seeing him in a Alan Partridge episode and a writer for Father Ted

Maybe he has experience in this matter, and if he doesn't he will come across as a fool

Either way he quite entitled to voice his opinion if invited to the show

He is quite entitled to voice his opinion and I'm not against him appearing. I hope he does but if RTÉ do their job and get the opposing argument adequately stocked he'll get eviscerated.

A father or mother with Linehan's opinion really need to understand that their experience isn't the only experience and in turn need to do their research before getting up on the platform.

batgoat

squawker wrote: »

So you have to be qualified to have an opinion now?

HandsomeBob wrote: »

You need to be qualified or adequately experienced in the issue if you want to go on public television to debate it.

Particularly when you're making false equivalency such as likening being transgender to bulimia... Espousing that stuff does have a negative effect on the mental health on those who are dealing with being transgender. In the exact same way as bull**** views during the marriage referendum impacted the LGBTQ community when similarly nasty rhetoric was used.

squawker

HandsomeBob wrote: »

You need to be qualified or adequately experienced in the issue if you want to go on public television to debate it.

I know nothing about yer man apart from seeing him in a Alan Partridge episode and a writer for Father Ted

Maybe he has experience in this matter, and if he doesn't he will come across as a fool

Either way he quite entitled to voice his opinion if invited to the show

HandsomeBob

squawker wrote: »

So you have to be qualified to have an opinion now?

You need to be qualified or adequately experienced in the issue if you want to go on public television to debate it.

yosser hughes

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

I'd be in favour of being able to say, OI, Billy there's children in there and your making them feel uncomfortable. Can you change in the toilet?

Billy needs to play the part too and accept changing in the toilet. The world owes him nothing, no more nor less than the rest of us.

If I turn up to a black tie event in a shell tracksuit, people are going to notice, but they are not going to change their fancy dinner to a hamburger to suit me, nor will I demand them too. Same thing with Billy.

You're not really grasping the issue here

Franz Von Peppercorn

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

I'd be in favour of being able to say, OI, Billy there's children in there and your making them feel uncomfortable. Can you change in the toilet?

Billy needs to play the part too and accept changing in the toilet. The world owes him nothing, no more nor less than the rest of us.

If I turn up to a black tie event in a shell tracksuit, people are going to notice, but they are not going to change their fancy dinner to a hamburger to suit me, nor will I demand them too. Same thing with Billy.

I don’t think you understand the legal situation here. Assuming that she has self identified and got her documents Billy ( short I suppose for willomena) is a woman legally. She may have a penis and beard, and huge muscle mass but she’s a woman in law.

Asking her to do anything differently than other women is legally discrimination.

Alrigghtythen

yosser hughes wrote: »

Billy's rights might override that.
So you see the consequences of being cool with trans men self identifying? Or just being blasé about men in dresses. Sure what's the big deal,live and let live right?
The point being when you legislate to normalise this it's too late to change your mind.

I'd be in favour of being able to say, OI, Billy there's children in there and your making them feel uncomfortable. Can you change in the toilet?

Billy needs to play the part too and accept changing in the toilet. The world owes him nothing, no more nor less than the rest of us.

If I turn up to a black tie event in a shell tracksuit, people are going to notice, but they are not going to change their fancy dinner to a hamburger to suit me, nor will I demand them too. Same thing with Billy.

Franz Von Peppercorn

yosser hughes wrote: »

Billy's rights might override that.
So you see the consequences of being cool with trans men self identifying?

Would be illlegal in ireland. Probably.

Not that theres been many test cases in Ireland.

yosser hughes

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Yes that's an issue and should not be allowed.

Billy's rights might override that.
So you see the consequences of being cool with trans men self identifying? Or just being blasé about men in dresses. Sure what's the big deal,live and let live right?
The point being when you legislate to normalise this it's too late to change your mind. When politics seems to be so influenced by vocal wingnuts on twitter you mi just get these unintended consequences

One eyed Jack

Gravelly wrote: »

Only if you’ve the “wrong” opinion. If you have the progressive-approved opinion, you can be any oul head-the-ball and demand to be taken seriously, and call out anyone who questions you as a bigot.

That’s not true at all. You don’t have to be a qualified medical professional to have an opinion on either transgenderism or anorexia, but you can hardly deny that it helps your credibility a lot more than some jackass giving their opinions where it’s apparent that they haven’t a notion what they’re talking about. You can be any head-the-ball and demand to be taken seriously applies to anyone, even Graham Linehan, and he is entitled to dismiss anyone who disagrees with him as a “progressive”.

I don’t feel a need to question him as I don’t believe he has the potential to make any useful contribution to the discussion. Questioning him would be giving his opinions a legitimacy I feel they don’t deserve. IMO he’s simply best ignored, but RTÉ have chosen to entertain his nonsense because they desperately need the cash they know the programme will generate from advertising revenue.

Feisar

Gravelly wrote: »

Only if you’ve the “wrong” opinion. If you have the progressive-approved opinion, you can be any oul head-the-ball and demand to be taken seriously, and call out anyone who questions you as a bigot.

Great point

Franz Von Peppercorn

ste wrote: »

Why do you need to get on board with anything? Just let people live the way they choose. Isn't that what this is all about?

In a recent episode of It's Always Sunny they had a bit on what signage to out on the male/female toilets & it obviously decended into a farce (v funny) but the real answer was to just name both toilets Toilet/Wash room

That’s not how it ended up. Dee didn’t want the guys in her toilet. The ending was calling it an animal sh1thouse.

Really if things don't negativily impact/interfere with your life & makes others more comfortable/happy why wouldn't you support that? That's not asking you to "get on board" with anything other than being basically decent.

Self identification has a clear effect on women’s spaces, prisons, refuges and sports.

Let's not taint the simple concept of treating people well with edge cases.

Not really that edge case.

Alrigghtythen

yosser hughes wrote: »

If Billy wants to use the same changing rooms as your 7 year old daughter at the pool is that not an issue for you?

Yes that's an issue and should not be allowed.

yosser hughes

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

If Billy wants to put on a dress and call himself Mary, I can't see the issue.

I do have an issue with censoring people who state that Billy's wearing a dress.

If Billy wants to use the same changing rooms as your 7 year old daughter at the pool is that not an issue for you?

Gravelly

squawker wrote: »

So you have to be qualified to have an opinion now?

Only if you’ve the “wrong” opinion. If you have the progressive-approved opinion, you can be any oul head-the-ball and demand to be taken seriously, and call out anyone who questions you as a bigot.

freshpopcorn

I clicked into the petition to see had it many signatures. I noticed one off my old teachers names in the recent signatures and he was a Boards user!

squawker

batgoat wrote: »

Seems pretty off for a person with no qualifications in relation to the subject to liken being transgender to bulimia......

So you have to be qualified to have an opinion now?

Alrigghtythen

If Billy wants to put on a dress and call himself Mary, I can't see the issue.

I do have an issue with censoring people who state that Billy's wearing a dress.

pleas advice

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Seen this pop up a few times, in this thread, online and amongst teens.

What de fcuk is a woke male?

i was a woke male last night, went to bed early, woke at about 2 in the morning and couldn't get to sleep again, didn't even get to see the blood moon because of the clouds.

TheValeyard

batgoat wrote: »

Seems pretty off for a person with no qualifications in relation to the subject to liken being transgender to bulimia......

Are you part bat part goat or part goat part bat. Or a bat dressed as a goat. Or a goat dressed as a bat. Or a human dressed as a goatbat. Or a human dressed as a bat that's actually a goat?

batgoat

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Not allowed. Superior people to you have decided he should not be heard.

Seems pretty off for a person with no qualifications in relation to the subject to liken being transgender to bulimia......

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squawker wrote: »

I would like to hear his opinion

Even if I agree or not

Not allowed. Superior people to you have decided he should not be heard.

Muckka

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Evolution of Hipsters?

Yes some people call them soy men or soy boys.

They drink so much soya milk that it supposedly slowly chip's away at the agressive side of the male nature, unknowingly it does the opposite, makes them more agressive and some grow man boobs.

My friend is transitioning to a woman at the moment, and they're drinking a lot of soya products.
They're finding they're getting a lot of mood swings etc

The woke man thing is really a man who's going to sleep, not really masculine is it going against his nature.
Makes him as much use as a chocolate fireguard.... Feed two bird's with the one scone kind of effect...

Vincent Vega

Heh.

ste

Dick phelan wrote: »

The facts are the facts and it's crazy a certain section of society think we should ignore it and pretend we can all change our gender if we like. Na i ain't getting on board with that.

Why do you need to get on board with anything? Just let people live the way they choose. Isn't that what this is all about?

In a recent episode of It's Always Sunny they had a bit on what signage to out on the male/female toilets & it obviously decended into a farce (v funny) but the real answer was to just name both toilets Toilet/Wash room (wharever).

Really if things don't negativily impact/interfere with your life & makes others more comfortable/happy why wouldn't you support that? That's not asking you to "get on board" with anything other than being basically decent.

Let's not taint the simple concept of treating people well with edge cases.

One eyed Jack

HandsomeBob wrote: »

RTÉ just showed an ad for prime time featuring Linehan typing furiously with a demented look on his laptop haha. Maybe it is a set up.

It’s a complete setup of course, which Linehan knows well, but he doesn’t care about that so much as he cares about his views reaching and resonating with a wider audience - the Peter Casey effect I like to call it.

HandsomeBob

RTÉ just showed an ad for prime time featuring Linehan typing furiously with a demented look on his laptop haha. Maybe it is a set up.

ricero

Ben Shapiro makes good arguments in regards to transgenders. I do believe for the most part it is a mental illness.

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