Roger Hassenforder wrote: » "Thomas Connors had a blood alcohol level of 224 milligrams per cent at autopsy, the equivalent of around six pints. He had recently consumed a large volume of chips, the court heard. Coroner Dr Myra Cullinane said this was significant as the cause of the fire was a chip pan left on the hot plate of an electric cooker. Connors was the only victim to have consumed chips shortly before the fire, the court heard" But muh, d'Council...
Goldengirl wrote: » Nope, . Digging my heels in because you don't get it despite being told repeatedly. ...you are wrong again . What I pointed to was the blatant disregard for fifa safety regulation enforcement over a long period of time , due to fear laziness , ignorance , don't know . But the regulations are there and are clear for everyone else. Those caravans/ portacabins had no hope of not being engulfed because they were pushed together on an inadequate site. They should have been 6 metres at least apart. That is why they all went up. I am not excusing the cause of the fire, but how it spread.
sligojoek wrote: » What did she say?
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » Am I seriously seeing that clown zampadildo on a late late repeat? She's able to go on and spread blatant lies, been caught by the nads for doing so? But meh. Something wwwaaaaaccciiiiissstttt so bleh. What an Utter joke.
Goldengirl wrote: » What I pointed to was the blatant disregard for fifa safety regulation enforcement over a long period of time , due to fear laziness , ignorance , don't know .
Goldengirl wrote: » .....Those caravans/ portacabins had no hope of not being engulfed because they were pushed together on an inadequate site. They should have been 6 metres at least apart. That is why they all went up. I am not excusing the cause of the fire, but how it spread.
Paddy Cow wrote: » HOW are the council responsible? Seriously, there was nothing they could have done. They could have had 50 working fire extinguishers on hand and it would not have made a difference as the adults were unconscious. The adults acted irresponsibly and unfortunately they and the children paid the highest price. My mother started locking the kitchen door when my brother went out because she woke up one night and smelled hot oil. She went downstairs and found my brother passed out on the couch in the sitting room. He had turned on the fryer in the kitchen and fallen asleep waiting for it to heat up. Fortunately it was an electric deep fat fryer with temperature control but it still could've ended up badly for us. If the house had burned down and killed the lot of us the only person responsible would've been my brother. Or maybe you would blame my mother because she should have been psychic and predicted my brothers stupid behaviour and taken action before it happened. Of course you wouldn't. Just like you can't blame the council here. They could not have predicted that adults would behave so irresponsibly. They are in no way to blame here. It was an absolute tragic accident what happened. The adults got carried away and made a stupid mistake. The council could not have stopped that. Honestly, I think you know at this stage there was nothing the council could do but you're digging your heels in because you can't admit you got it wrong.
Paddy Cow wrote: » To achieve PhD level education, she wasn't living in a halting site, didn't leave school at 12 and get married at 15. My guess is that she and her parents are Traveller in name only and have been living a settled life. How many of Margaret's children will be encouraged to go to university? I hope her daughter at least finishes secondary school.
tretorn wrote: » But a traveller getting to University is a big deal when you look at the attainment educational levels for most travellers.What was it about her traveller background that led her to continue schooling past second level Junior Cert when most of her peer group seem to start families at sixteen and seventeen and then remain welfare dependent for the remainder of their lives but still seem to have plenty of money to spend on alcohol to blunt the misery of this existence.
tretorn wrote: » I know and then we read about a traveller studying to PHD level and she trots out all the racist anti travellers stuff ad nauseum as part of her thesis. This was an utterly pointless exercise and a study of alcohol abuse within her community could have reaped dividends for the next generation of travellers. Surely you must have subject matter for a pHD approved and you could get the gist of what the PHD consisted of by reading over comments from Pavee POint. All the adults who died in Carrickmines were young, I wonder how much education they had and were any of them employed.
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tretorn wrote: » Its desperately sad, those poor children, one of them was six months old. There is no sense within this community of anyone taking leadership on alcohol abuse.
tretorn wrote: » There is no sense within this community of anyone taking leadership on alcohol abuse.
tuxy wrote: » I blame fluoride. They only tampered with that hydrant to try to remove fluoride.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » what?
tuxy wrote: » Yes but did the council call over to administer drug tests? And if not why not?
gctest50 wrote: » Dr Bolster testified that the five adult victims had alcohol levels ranging from 155mgs to 224mgs. She said 35mgs would be the equivalent to a pint or large glass of wine The report also found that Thomas Connors and Willie Lynch had less than therapeutic levels of benzodiazepines, while Tara Gilbert had therapeutic levels of benzodiazepines and sleeping tablets.
bobbyss wrote: » I haven't read all the posts in this thread but some suggest that some of those who died were drunk or on drugs or unconscious. What's the evidence for that and were tests done to prove this?
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