seamus wrote: » The poster I was responding to, wasn't. Linehan is a self-identified "trans-exclusionary" feminist. Which is by definition an anti-trans position. Being for "women's rights" does not make one anti-trans. Being for "women's rights (except trans women)" does make you anti-trans. What I funniest about this stuff is that TERFs like Linehan focus exclusively on the "female" part. Nobody freaks out about "women in the men's changing room" or "women in men's sports". Anti-trans viewpoints are focussed almost exclusively on trans females, and the apparent damage they can do. How they are trying to make "real" women unsafe. At the root of this belief is an inherent anti-male bias. The belief that all men are violent sexual predators who cannot help ourselves, and a man even if he identifies as a woman, presents a danger to women and their rights. TERFs, like Linehan, are the raving, man-hating, misandrist feminists that the denizens of AH claim are lurking around every corner. Yet I can guarantee you'll all be on his side because, "Well, sure of course they're not women, this is lefty craziness".
ohnonotgmail wrote: » Nobody is dismissing anything. What was said is very simple. The chances of a woman being assaulted by a man is low. The chances of a woman being assaulted by a man who is pretending to identify as a woman is so low as to be non-existent.
keano_afc wrote: » That group used to be funny until it started being a liberal mouthpiece. I was banned for posting a pro-life meme.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Bannasidhe wrote: » Sadly there have been quite a few reports from lesbians across the UK that such assaults have happened in women only clubs. Too many from too wide a geographical area to be dismissed. I do not for a second believe the perpetrators of these assaults are genuinely trans, I think they are predatory men acting out some 'I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body' scenario. The descriptions of these men is that they are simply dressed in women's clothes with bad wigs. I know too many people (MTF AND FTM) who are genuinely transitioning and have seen the time and care they take to 'learn' to express their real gender to think for a second any of them would think putting on a frock/suit is all there is to it. That’s why self definition is a problem. The only problem really. A fully transitioned trans woman clearly believes her new gender and should use women’s rooms etc. The new laws are a problem. For sport too. .
Bannasidhe wrote: » Sadly there have been quite a few reports from lesbians across the UK that such assaults have happened in women only clubs. Too many from too wide a geographical area to be dismissed. I do not for a second believe the perpetrators of these assaults are genuinely trans, I think they are predatory men acting out some 'I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body' scenario. The descriptions of these men is that they are simply dressed in women's clothes with bad wigs. I know too many people (MTF AND FTM) who are genuinely transitioning and have seen the time and care they take to 'learn' to express their real gender to think for a second any of them would think putting on a frock/suit is all there is to it.
ironwalk wrote: » AndrewJRenko wrote: » But you're happy to "wait for one" from a female sexual predator? Nope, didn't say that, don't put words in my mouth. But, I've only ever had one woman push the line, and I was able to push back. No fear that she would strangle me, or punch my teeth in. Have had lots of experience of men not listening when I said 'no'. Always with the worry that they'd take it badly and lash out.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » But you're happy to "wait for one" from a female sexual predator?
EdgeCase wrote: » Quite a few times actually. I've been shoved up against a wall by a woman and had a rather horrible smoker's tongue shoved into my mouth. I'd zero interest in her. I've had my rear pinched, grabbed, I've been fondled on dance floors, I've been shouted at for being less than responsive to flirting. I've had absolutely obnoxious women sit on my lap. I largely ignored it and wasn't really that freaked about it but it does happen. I would say tho I did find the being corned and forced to kiss someone pretty gross though. I had to wash my mouth out with beer. I don't mind flirting but some of that stuff is absolutely taking the piss. I'm bi, so I've experienced similar very unwanted attention from lads too. Including someone who tried to push me into a car when I was about 19 and seemed to think that because I was bi I would somehow be automatically interested ... Absolutely not the case! This isn't whataboutary btw. I think it's way way out of line when anyone behaves like a sex pest. It's usually a mix of alcohol, a brass neck and hormones in many cases it'll just be stupid flirty nonsense but some people go WAY beyond that and that's where you're very much into the realms of sexual assault. I'd say guys can be more threatening because they're usually physically bigger (not always tho). There's a lot to be said for getting the concept of consent into everyone's heads.
seamus wrote: » The poster I was responding to, wasn't. Linehan is a self-identified "trans-exclusionary" feminist.
Being for "women's rights" does not make one anti-trans. Being for "women's rights (except trans women)" does make you anti-trans.
What I funniest about this stuff is that TERFs like Linehan focus exclusively on the "female" part. Nobody freaks out about "women in the men's changing room" or "women in men's sports". Anti-trans viewpoints are focussed almost exclusively on trans females, and the apparent damage they can do. How they are trying to make "real" women unsafe.
At the root of this belief is an inherent anti-male bias. The belief that all men are violent sexual predators who cannot help ourselves, and a man even if he identifies as a woman, presents a danger to women and their rights.
TERFs, like Linehan, are the raving, man-hating, misandrist feminists that the denizens of AH claim are lurking around every corner.
Will I Am Not wrote: » I used to like Irish Simpsons Fans Facebook group until they deleted this, because it was offensive and they hate Linehan anyway.
CalamariFritti wrote: » So after a brief google it appears that somewhere between 1 in 200 to 300 people identifiy as transgender to varying degrees. Of course these people should not be discriminated against and supported instead and their rights and dignity protected like every one else’s but I didn’t realise that those numbers justify it becoming ‘a new thing’.
Tom Mann Centuria wrote: » for whatever reason he's deep into this subject
ironwalk wrote: » So, what are the chances? Don't know, but not one that I'm willing to take. How many incidents? Don't know, but if it's foreseeable, why wait for one?
ironwalk wrote: » The chances of a woman being assaulted by a man is low So low, that most women have experienced some version of it. Or, are you denying what women tell you about their lives?
ironwalk wrote: » AndrewJRenko wrote: » Interesting - so what are the chances of being raped or sexually abused by a transgender female? In two years that we've legally allowed for self-identification of gender here, how many such incidents have we seen? I'm not going to engage with muddying the water. Again, predatory men may use the expansion of trans rights to target women. Again, if, if a transgender man who identified as female decided to have a go, then I've got little recourse. Some men even find that notion titillating. We have seen elsewhere beauticians asked to wax a self identifying transwoman's balls? We have seen women, confined in a women's only institution and were sexually assaulted by a "woman" with a penis. So, what are the chances? Don't know, but not one that I'm willing to take. How many incidents? Don't know, but if it's foreseeable, why wait for one?
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Interesting - so what are the chances of being raped or sexually abused by a transgender female? In two years that we've legally allowed for self-identification of gender here, how many such incidents have we seen?
ironwalk wrote: » Was it in jest? Many a true word etc etc. If you read back on my posts, you'll see that my concern is solely with the subset of men, who will (and have) used trans rights to enter women's spaces in order to abuse and hurt. I suspect that the risk of being hurt by a transgender wo/man is exactly the same as being hurt by any other male bodied person. As for the dismissal of women's risk of being hurt by men....are you seriously dismissing that, on an Irish forum, given our history? I may have a slim chance of being raped, but no woman goes out without it being in the back of their heads. I will continue to treat unknown men as if they are potential abusers because until I know you're safe, then I'm going to treat you as unsafe. (and here's the thing, in my personal experience, abusive men have been teachers, classmates, randomers on the Luas, boyfriends etc). And if you have any of the following: a mother/wife/sister/female partner/daughter , then I urge you to consider my earlier examples. Then tell me, whether women's protections should be dismantled for trans rights.
One eyed Jack wrote: » My post was in jest (I tend to do that sometimes :pac:), but since you’ve taken it seriously, I can at least reassure you that the risk of you or your loved ones being killed, hit, raped or abused by someone who identifies themselves as transgender, is a lot more slim than the risk of you or your loved ones being killed, hit, raped or abused, by someone who identifies themselves as a man. You’re perfectly entitled of course to treat all men as though they are Shrodingers rapist, but that only marks you out as one of those ideologues behind this idea of “rape culture”, when in reality the number of men who commit rape is around 7% - you’re unlikely ever to be raped, and even less likely to be raped by someone who identifies themselves as transgender. You can go back to muddying the waters now.
ironwalk wrote: » Nope, not buying that one either. I am talking about women's rights.
ironwalk wrote: » How many times have you been abused, against your will, by a woman? Cos, for the vast majority of women, we have lots of stories of being touched-up or threatened by men.
seamus wrote: » Yes. He is unwilling to entertain any discussion on it unless it meets with his opinion, or even show respect to anyone else in such a discussion. He's probably gone off the rails tbh. In a discussion where he insists that trans is a mental illness, Linehan probably needs psychiatric help of his own. It's an obsession for him at this stage.
