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US Death penalty

DEFTLEFTHAND

Scott Dozier a convicted murderer hanged himself in his cell 10 days ago. He had been campaigning for his Death sentence to be carried out for the past 2 years, he stopped the appeal process and told a judge in court that he wanted the sentence enforced.

There's a halt on lethal injections in certain States at the moment because drug companies are refusing to provide.

Dozier asked for the chair, firing squad or gas chamber, but none of these methods are used in the State of Neveda.

I feel very sorry for him in a weird sort of way.

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RobbingBandit

Guillotine tint the edge with diamond for maximum cutting blade.

Checkmate19

I'll say it again the death penalty should not be in place as innocent people are convicted. In the usa the gilford 4 etc may have been put to death.

Checkmate19

Just one article on usa justice system http://time.com/wrongly-convicted/.

Pkiernan

Checkmate19 wrote: »

I'll say it again the death penalty should not be in place as innocent people are convicted. In the usa the gilford 4 etc may have been put to death.

Hundreds of innocent people killed by cars each year. I assume you are against people being allowed to drive?

batgoat

Pkiernan wrote: »

Hundreds of innocent people killed by cars each year. I assume you are against people being allowed to drive?

Cars don't have the sole intent of killing a person... Your point is just so ridiculously stupid.

Checkmate19

The usa justice system is a joke. That they have the right to put people to death is amazing given its unfairness. If your poor and black the deck is stacked against you. The fact people who are innocent take plea deals shows it up. The fact that you are allowed to use people in jail as evidence makes a mockery of it. In the us you can get people in jail to say they heard the accused say he done it. They get a promise of something for it. Look at the steven avery case the prosecutor came out and told the world how avery done it before the trial began in the media. All this stuff in the usa is stacked against you and still they have a death penalty. One country in the world where you should not have a death penalty is the usa. All the system is designed to get convictions and in some states death sentences as alot of people move up the ladder based on it. Joke of a system.

Checkmate19

If someone i knew was 100% percent guilty (as in video footage) of murder i would have no problem with the death penalty. But most cases don't go like that so no life without parole as it gives the chance of an innocent person getting out.

davidk1394

What about the two 13 year old boys who killed that young girl in 2018 or Larry Murphy. The likes of these people should get the DP, once the evidence can prove 100% that it was them.

YFlyer

theguzman wrote: »

Ireland should have at least 10,000 to 20,000 additional prison places added for long term sentencing and the death sentence be carried out on at least a monthly basis.

This would indicate the failure of our education system.

Checkmate19

It is in most cases not possible to have 100% evidence thats why the death penalty is wrong. If you had a family convicted and he was put to death and he was wrongfully convicted you would feel different. A guy in the usa spent 49 years in jail on a passer bye saying it was him. DNA proved him innocent. Another state hes dead. Thats why death penalty is wrong.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Pkiernan wrote: »

Hundreds of innocent people killed by cars each year. I assume you are against people being allowed to drive?

You don't know the difference between an accident and an intent...?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

theguzman wrote: »

Far far less than the number of innocent people who have been killed by repeat offenders who should have been hung or shot dead by firing squad. While a murderer is alive he will always pose a threat, the same for pedophiles. If we had a proper right wing Justice system which delivered actual Justice then we would have proper sentencing for petty crimes and Capital punishment for the most serious crimes. Ireland should have at least 10,000 to 20,000 additional prison places added for long term sentencing and the death sentence be carried out on at least a monthly basis.

That sounds Islamic. You don't want that.

The leftwing will always object because they attract the majority of these subhuman thrash criminals into their voter base and they are the ones who will be effected wheras law abiding middle class citizens are less likely to commit crime but far more likely to be the victims of it.

No, we'll object to it because we've put some thought into and realised it's a stupid impractical idea that won't achieve whatever the hell the so-called rigtwing thing it will, but can't explain how. Case in point:

The fact that some scumbag can walk out of a court with 300+ criminal convictions is a disgrace, he is proof that rehabilitation and second chances or 332nd chances don't work, execution is the best option and save the society the hassle of dealing with it daily. The parasite legal profession will naturally back said scumbag since the free legal aid is one of their biggest earners. A sweep of Dublin's quays and around the Luas would provide a modern day Pierrepoint with a lifetimes supply of work.

DEFTLEFTHAND

davidk1394 wrote: »

What about the two 13 year old boys who killed that young girl in 2018 or Larry Murphy. The likes of these people should get the DP, once the evidence can prove 100% that it was them.

We'll never put underage boys to death.

I would not want to live in a country with such a policy.

Simi

The USA has an insanely large prison population, long sentences and the death penalty. China often executes people using a method straight from the mind of a right wing fantasist, taken out the back of the courtroom and shot with no right to appeal.

Both countries have higher levels of crime and recividism than Ireland. Why should we copy them?

Checkmate19

The only thing i would copy the usa on is life means life for the most serious crimes. Sentences here are a joke.

Checkmate19

If someone murders someone that should be the end of there freedom. END OFF.

Checkmate19

Bollix to second chances on murder.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Simi wrote: »

The USA has an insanely large prison population, long sentences and the death penalty. China often executes people using a method straight from the mind of a right wing fantasist, taken out the back of the courtroom and shot with no right to appeal.

Both countries have higher levels of crime and recividism than Ireland. Why should we copy them?

Sounds more like a commie thing than right wing.

mynamejeff

Simi wrote: »

The USA has an insanely large prison population, long sentences and the death penalty. China often executes people using a method straight from the mind of a right wing fantasist, taken out the back of the courtroom and shot with no right to appeal.

Both countries have higher levels of crime and recidivism than Ireland. Why should we copy them?

the Chinese system sounds like a better option , a lot cheaper that the revolving door legal industry we have here

i bet the rate of repeat offending would drip dramatically post execution

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mynamejeff wrote: »

the Chinese system sounds like a better option , a lot cheaper that the revolving door legal industry we have here

i bet the rate of repeat offending would drip dramatically post execution

Tell that to the Canadians there.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

mynamejeff wrote: »

the Chinese system sounds like a better option , a lot cheaper that the revolving door legal industry we have here

i bet the rate of repeat offending would drip dramatically post execution

So you're suggesting it's just one person responsible for 100% off the crime, then? And if we can find and execute that one our porblems are sorted?

Pkiernan

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

You don't know the difference between an accident and an intent...?

Most car crashes are not accidents, they are acts of negligence. Stop and have a think about that before replying!

Doesn't change the logic of my argument. Why does your right to drive a car supercede people's right to live?

Banning cars in Ireland would save a lot more innocent lives than ending the death penalty in the US. But you're just trying to make tired left wing arguments.

Collie D

Pkiernan wrote: »

Most car crashes are not accidents, they are acts of negligence. Stop and have a think about that before replying!

Doesn't change the logic of my argument. Why does your right to drive a car supercede people's right to live?

Banning cars in Ireland would save a lot more innocent lives than ending the death penalty in the US. But you're just trying to make tired left wing arguments.

Your argument has no logic. An execution is an intentional act. The majority of car related deaths are not. Negligence is still accidental by the way.

You’re the only one trying to compare the two. Absolutely no comparison.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Pkiernan wrote: »

Most car crashes are not accidents, they are acts of negligence. Stop and have a think about that before replying!

Negligence is not the same as intent, so I was right. You don't.

Doesn't change the logic of my argument. Why does your right to drive a car supercede people's right to live?

Banning cars in Ireland would save a lot more innocent lives than ending the death penalty in the US. But you're just trying to make tired left wing arguments.

How does my right to use a car supercede someone's right to live?

eagle eye

I used to be against the death penalty because I felt it wasn't a tough enough punishment.
I think it's fair enough now because they spend long enough waiting and thinking about it.
European punishment for crimes is ludicrous. You have paedophiles getting two or three years. They should be in jail at least until the victims have fully recovered and if that turns out to be the rest of their lives then so be it, same with rapists, same with serious assaults.
There should be far more serious punishment for repeat offenders too.
Anyways this is about the US death penalty and I'm all for it.

Mad_maxx

Checkmate19 wrote: »

The Evans case has probably happened thousands of times in the us. That's why i don't agree with the death penalty. I think life without parole is a harsher sentence anyway for murder and other serious offence's.

Life without parole probably is more cruel for the guilty party and also better for us, I don't believe in the death penalty but the right to bear arms is a good principal I'd like to see here but with proper vetting and restrictions

Mad_maxx

Lackey wrote: »

Alan Davis was an American mass murderer executed for the May 11, 1982, murder of Nancy Weiler, who was three months pregnant, in Jacksonville, Florida. According to reports, Nancy Weiler was "beaten almost beyond recognition" by Davis with a .357 Magnum, and hit over 25 times in the face and head.

He was also convicted of killing Nancy Weiler's two daughters, Kristina (age 10, shot twice in the face) and Katherine (age 5, shot as she was trying to run away and then skull beaten in with the gun). Davis was on parole for armed robbery at the time of the murders. He was executed on July 8, 1999.[1]

From Wikipedia....sorry but my sympathies are with his victims

Guy like that should be placed in the hole for life

Mad_maxx

eagle eye wrote: »

I used to be against the death penalty because I felt it wasn't a tough enough punishment.
I think it's fair enough now because they spend long enough waiting and thinking about it.
European punishment for crimes is ludicrous. You have paedophiles getting two or three years. They should be in jail at least until the victims have fully recovered and if that turns out to be the rest of their lives then so be it, same with rapists, same with serious assaults.
There should be far more serious punishment for repeat offenders too.
Anyways this is about the US death penalty and I'm all for it.

It's not a case of either or

We can put people away for a long time without having the state execute people, me thinks that the legal industry might suffer however

Wibbs

Mad_maxx wrote: »

the right to bear arms is a good principal I'd like to see here but with proper vetting and restrictions

God no. And I'm no hippie, I love firearms and would love a small collection of working vintage pieces(Mauser C96 please). I would support a loosening on the restrictions here alright. However it would be a madness to have anything like the US model here. It's a bloody disaster there. The death rate from firearms is insane. Now we can look to the Swiss where firearms are pretty common on the ground, including military grade weapons, but they're a very different culture. Clearly, as unlike the US mentaller muppets going on shooting rampages are bloody rare to nonexistent. I'm not sure we're like the Swiss on this score.

branie2

It takes years before a prisoner is executed