J Mysterio wrote: » A year ago I was very positive about an outcome that led to a United Ireland in the short term. But things have degenerated so badly and got so out of hand - worse than could have been conceivably forseen - that I'm quite worried about it now.
We're in dangerous times and as things deteriorate further, which is highly likely, big ructions such as a No Deal Brexit would raise emotions significantly and could lead to violence, border or no border. It's an ugly situation. Obviously we will need to see how things play out but I think a call for a border poll is premature and we should wait for the outcome of Brexit for sure and even then should probably allow a period for things to settle, some years at least. Should a clamour arise in NI with a strong majority a UI at some point in the future, great, but we absolutely should not precipate that or agitate for it. It should be allowed to happen naturally.
wiggle16 wrote: » No, it's up to us to make it work. I don't doubt there would be some assistance from the EU but they cannot be expected to pay for a UI. I think a UI is way too much of a conjecture at this stage. Yes Brexit is conceivably an event that could trigger a move towards a UI, it certainly looks like the UK may break up in the next 10 years over this. That doesn't mean reunification for Ireland and if it ever does happen it will get ugly before it gets better.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Nonsense: there would be loads of help available to make it work. The EU invests in their members. Look around you.
sandbelter wrote: » Nope, they'll simply tell the Irish to collect their company taxes. It's for the Irish to make Ireland work.
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » The EU would or course have to help us subsidize the north if a United Ireland ever came to pass. I can't see most people in the UK missing the North if it left.
IAN Paisley billed a Belfast charity for almost £6,000 to fly first-class to a peace conference in New York. Others travelling to the event from Ireland and Britain, including tánaiste Simon Coveney, flew in economy – more than 10 times cheaper in price.
EU Brexit negotiators are “watching the BBC and eating popcorn”, in the words of one of them, .... Dutch conservative Esther de Lange: “Collectively, they don’t know what they want,” she said of watching the Commons in action. “But, boy, do they hold great speeches about it.” .... Many also believe turmoil in Britain has dampened appetites to follow suit, with European voters warming to the Union and eurosceptic governments, such as in Italy, Hungary and Poland, stressing their criticisms of the EU do not presage an exit.
Bigus wrote: » Mairead mc Guinness saying on the late late show that the EU mightn't extend the time , mainly to stop ar5e holes like Farage getting back in from the UK in euro elections in May( no pun)
Bit cynical wrote: » I should have said apply to extend A50. Whether or not the EU agree to it is another matter but with Merkel expressing hope that the UK eventually come back to the fold, I think more likely than one might imagine.
wiggle16 wrote: » At this point I think it's over. There's no reason to extend Article 50. The EU would only extend it if there were something new and viable to be put on the table (like a second referendum) and even then they've made it quite clear they won't extend it beyond the EU elections in May. There's not enough time for the UK to put anything together between now and then, either in terms of a different deal or a second referendum or launching the entire population into space. I could be wrong, but I don't think anything is going to change between now and 29/03/2019. I think what we're seeing now is what it's going to look like then. Oh well.
Theresa May has left European diplomats in a state of “disbelief” following a series of phone calls to EU leaders in which she made no change to her demands despite her Brexit plan being voted down by a 230-vote margin this week. Senior EU diplomatic sources said that Mrs May’s unchanged stance was “greeted with incredulity” following a call with the German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Thursday night.
Bit cynical wrote: » Fairly unlikely that there will be a second referendum much as we might want one for the UK. It is up to them, not us, and the main leaders are not calling for one. I would say the most likely at this point is some sort of Norway deal and/or extend A50.
MBSnr wrote: » Paywallhttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/dup-hints-at-backing-for-soft-brexit-to-remove-backstop-threat-2dn7r7wg7
Headshot wrote: » what was the story in the times?
Gintonious wrote: » https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1086229050224504833 Idiots unite!
First Up wrote: » The Ulster Workers Council experience suggests some might have a different take on that.
10000maniacs wrote: I wouldn't think so. Obviously they would have a sizable percentage in the Dail but that would be their only leverage. Physical confrontation is out because they wouldn't have the numbers.
First Up wrote: » 10000maniacs wrote: In a United Ireland scenario they would have little choice than to smell the coffee, buckle down, behave and do what the Irish do. If only. I'd expect years of civil disobedience - or worse.
10000maniacs wrote: In a United Ireland scenario they would have little choice than to smell the coffee, buckle down, behave and do what the Irish do.
mrbrianj wrote: » You'd have to laugh at the 'German cars' line - do they realise that the UK sell just as many back into the EU?
“The UK is an important market for the German car industry, but the cohesion of the EU27 and with it the single market is more important for this industry,” he said.
Capt'n Midnight wrote: » Spot any red lines ?
First Up wrote: » prawnsambo wrote: Ah, it's a bit like brexit tbf. There are unionists and there are UNIONISTS. The latter are pretty much in the minority. The DUP have support from both by default, but if the UUP got their act together the DUP would fade into the background. There actions over the last year or so have pretty much alienated the more moderate unionists and I suspect there will be a backlash. Its pretty obvious that the staunchest "unionists" hate the ROI more than they love the UK. The OWC (our wee country) slogan and mentality illustrates that. I'd be in no rush to try to lure them into a UI. They'd be an even bigger pain in the ass than the UK has been in the EU.
prawnsambo wrote: Ah, it's a bit like brexit tbf. There are unionists and there are UNIONISTS. The latter are pretty much in the minority. The DUP have support from both by default, but if the UUP got their act together the DUP would fade into the background. There actions over the last year or so have pretty much alienated the more moderate unionists and I suspect there will be a backlash.
