ToBeFrank123 wrote: » There's little to stop Eastern Europeans flying into Ireland then crossing into the North and then on to the UK mainland and then working in the black economy or just ending up homeless as many of them now are.
Silent Running wrote: » Well, the one that requires least work is a crash out no deal. It requires absolutely nothing to be done. Just wait out the clock.
The EU pressed on Friday with plans to forge a trade deal with the US, part of an effort -- backed by Germany -- to avert a trade war with President Donald Trump. Negotiating a deal was the key to a transatlantic truce secured last year after the US slapped tariffs on steel and aluminium imports from the EU and others, alarming the world. The effort is also part of a strategy to stop Trump from slapping damaging duties on car imports from Europe, a danger that has especially unnerved Berlin.
Donald Trump wrote: » I disagree We already know that any post Brexit declined will be the explained away as evil EU punishing the British people for their cheek in wanting democracy or some such shite or for "winning WWII" or some such variation. They'll get a few years out of that.
Bambi wrote: There is no way to "force" a UI
First Up wrote: » I'd go further; I would want the unionist community to apply to join - and then think about it. We have more than enough to be getting on with in redrawing our political, economic and trading systems to be bothered with humouring them.
prawnsambo wrote: Ah, it's a bit like brexit tbf. There are unionists and there are UNIONISTS. The latter are pretty much in the minority. The DUP have support from both by default, but if the UUP got their act together the DUP would fade into the background. There actions over the last year or so have pretty much alienated the more moderate unionists and I suspect there will be a backlash.
First Up wrote: » Its pretty obvious that the staunchest "unionists" hate the ROI more than they love the UK. The OWC (our wee country) slogan and mentality illustrates that. I'd be in no rush to try to lure them into a UI. They'd be an even bigger pain in the ass than the UK has been in the EU.
bilston wrote: The Our Wee Country slogan illustrates pride in Northern Ireland. It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Republic of Ireland.
First Up wrote: » prawnsambo wrote: Ah, it's a bit like brexit tbf. There are unionists and there are UNIONISTS. The latter are pretty much in the minority. The DUP have support from both by default, but if the UUP got their act together the DUP would fade into the background. There actions over the last year or so have pretty much alienated the more moderate unionists and I suspect there will be a backlash. Its pretty obvious that the staunchest "unionists" hate the ROI more than they love the UK. The OWC (our wee country) slogan and mentality illustrates that. I'd be in no rush to try to lure them into a UI. They'd be an even bigger pain in the ass than the UK has been in the EU.
10000maniacs wrote: In a United Ireland scenario they would have little choice than to smell the coffee, buckle down, behave and do what the Irish do.
Capt'n Midnight wrote: » Spot any red lines ?
mrbrianj wrote: » You'd have to laugh at the 'German cars' line - do they realise that the UK sell just as many back into the EU?
“The UK is an important market for the German car industry, but the cohesion of the EU27 and with it the single market is more important for this industry,” he said.
First Up wrote: » 10000maniacs wrote: In a United Ireland scenario they would have little choice than to smell the coffee, buckle down, behave and do what the Irish do. If only. I'd expect years of civil disobedience - or worse.
10000maniacs wrote: I wouldn't think so. Obviously they would have a sizable percentage in the Dail but that would be their only leverage. Physical confrontation is out because they wouldn't have the numbers.
First Up wrote: » The Ulster Workers Council experience suggests some might have a different take on that.
Gintonious wrote: » https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1086229050224504833 Idiots unite!
Headshot wrote: » what was the story in the times?
MBSnr wrote: » Paywallhttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/dup-hints-at-backing-for-soft-brexit-to-remove-backstop-threat-2dn7r7wg7
Bit cynical wrote: » Fairly unlikely that there will be a second referendum much as we might want one for the UK. It is up to them, not us, and the main leaders are not calling for one. I would say the most likely at this point is some sort of Norway deal and/or extend A50.
Theresa May has left European diplomats in a state of “disbelief” following a series of phone calls to EU leaders in which she made no change to her demands despite her Brexit plan being voted down by a 230-vote margin this week. Senior EU diplomatic sources said that Mrs May’s unchanged stance was “greeted with incredulity” following a call with the German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Thursday night.
wiggle16 wrote: » At this point I think it's over. There's no reason to extend Article 50. The EU would only extend it if there were something new and viable to be put on the table (like a second referendum) and even then they've made it quite clear they won't extend it beyond the EU elections in May. There's not enough time for the UK to put anything together between now and then, either in terms of a different deal or a second referendum or launching the entire population into space. I could be wrong, but I don't think anything is going to change between now and 29/03/2019. I think what we're seeing now is what it's going to look like then. Oh well.
Bit cynical wrote: » I should have said apply to extend A50. Whether or not the EU agree to it is another matter but with Merkel expressing hope that the UK eventually come back to the fold, I think more likely than one might imagine.
Bigus wrote: » Mairead mc Guinness saying on the late late show that the EU mightn't extend the time , mainly to stop ar5e holes like Farage getting back in from the UK in euro elections in May( no pun)
EU Brexit negotiators are “watching the BBC and eating popcorn”, in the words of one of them, .... Dutch conservative Esther de Lange: “Collectively, they don’t know what they want,” she said of watching the Commons in action. “But, boy, do they hold great speeches about it.” .... Many also believe turmoil in Britain has dampened appetites to follow suit, with European voters warming to the Union and eurosceptic governments, such as in Italy, Hungary and Poland, stressing their criticisms of the EU do not presage an exit.
IAN Paisley billed a Belfast charity for almost £6,000 to fly first-class to a peace conference in New York. Others travelling to the event from Ireland and Britain, including tánaiste Simon Coveney, flew in economy – more than 10 times cheaper in price.
