thomasdylan wrote: » There's a large amount of evidence that workers on rotating shift have an increased risk of stroke, MI, T2DM. There's an increased mortality of 10% for these workers.
Tell me how wrote: » So what about the 1000s of factory workers in the private sector on rotating shift work. Or the Gardai, paramedics, fire fighters? Or taxi drivers? Or hotel staff?
thomasdylan wrote: » What about them. They should be paid a premium to work those hours. Comparing a 8-6 job with people doing shiftwork, you'd expect the people doing shift to be paid well because it'll knock a year or two off your life.
wrangler wrote: Is it not 38 hr weeks, 4-6 weeks holidays, Pay going up to 50000 and your pension is way over what the private sector gets for the same contributions. What's not to like Never mind working hard.....we all have to do that I could work 38hr weeks wut sure what would I do after wednesday
eagle eye wrote: » What are you earning per annum?
wrangler wrote: » Not as much as the nurses anyway, I was a farmer now retired. 38hr week would be a short week
twowheelsonly wrote: » So you were subsidised by the tax payers for leaving fields empty and not producing milk, grant aided to build sheds (and the odd extension to a house or two..) and buy farm machinery and your kids got massive grants for college ? Not everything you hear about other peoples jobs is all true BTW... :rolleyes:
riclad wrote: » I do,nt think they,ll get a pay rise based on the fact if they get a pay rise other civil servants ,teachers ect will expect a pay rise . Public servants salarys are all connected . Of course who know,s what happens if they go on strike , hospitals cannot function without nurse,s . Peoples lives would be put at risk . nurses have to pay 15 euro per day for a parking space . If the dublin bus drivers stop working for 2 weeks it would be inconvenient but it does not put peoples lives at risk . Nursing in a public hospital is a tough job . They also have to complete a college degree to be qualified as a nurse.
Martina1991 wrote: » I did my masters while working. I had to pay for it myself and definitely do not get a pay increase for doing it.
lillycakes2 wrote: » The reason nurses are paid so poorly is because they are the only profession that cant do a "proper" strike and walk off. The pateints will never be left totally alone, there will be still some nurses there doing what needs to be done. That's why the piss has been taken from them for years! Nurses stop the doctors from killing you …………….They deserve the biggest pay salary they can get...……..Its high bloody time ………...What they put up with, the stress and responsibility...………….There wages are laughable for what they do. Good on them !!! I will go out and support them on the 30th, They are there to care for us in life and death...………..its funny when people say they don't deserve a pay rise, say that when they are saving your life or a family members !!!!
Dr hoRse wrote: » Please stop this. Doctors (your colleagues) are supporting you in your strike if it brings more resources and better conditions for our patients. Why is this fallacy perpetuated every time a nurses role is brought up. Its actually disparaging and gives people the impression of incompetence among a cohort of staff looking after them.
Padraig Mor wrote: » It really is amazing the intellectual leaps that people will go to to deny what's written in black and white. Average staff nurse pay is €51k, average senior staff nurse ~€62k - these are the facts as reported by the Pay Commission to which the nursing unions contributed. These sames unions have never once denied this level of pay in the media which tells its own story. If people here believe that nurses are paid less on average, please feel free to provide your own data backed evidence to that effect - anecdotes re pay of individuals are worthless. I mean, if they're paid so 'poorly', surely there's plenty of evidence of this - the union will have published a report to that effect? And to claim that it would require "working every weekend ON night duty" is just simply untrue. Unless I'm very wrong (and I don't believe I am), nurses receive 100% time off for any approved full time post grad courses they attend with full pay (and fees paid), accrual of increments and service as well as holiday entitlements, and increased salary in the form of a qualification allowance when they return. The only 'downsides' are that they don't earn any premium hours payments, and must work in the sector for a time (2 years?) when they finish.
Goldengirl wrote: » You are wrong. Nurses doing post graduate full time courses are employed doing a physical job and studying to boot. They get some days leave to study per year and for exams . Otherwise employed as any other nurse in the sector. I think you are mixing it up with people who are in part time education doing a MSc in a certain area. Mostly these nurses are working in their usual job, and they get paid pro rata . All giving good service and add value . As I have stated previously I cannot account for those high average salaries quoted by you as from the Pay Commission. Nurses at the top of the scale get just mid 40 k ,with added premium pay for working antisocial hours or extra for a second main qualification ( which would be a Higher Diploma, to MSc ). They do not get paid for any more qualifications, just one , besides their main degree/ qualification, no matter how many they have. Are you saying that these additions should be included in basic pay?.. No I don't think so. Of course one should get paid extra for working weekends , nights and bank holidays. And qualifications besides main degree. And that is not considered basic pay . So that is why those figures are incorrect.
Tell me how wrote: » Why doesn't the general secretary of the INMO dispute these figures? Whether it is made up of basic rate or pay plus add-ons, the total annual earnings have to be considered as the nurses pay.
hmmm wrote: » That's simply not true, no matter how many times you repeat it. 6% annual turnover. There's endless amounts of thanks. There isn't endless amounts of money we can pay to the public sector.
storker wrote: » The same is true for my wife, who is a nurse. Masters degree, own expense, no pay increase. Nor did she get anything extra when she did her degree previously, again at her own expense, so I'm less than convinced by these claims of "extra money for qualifications". But I'll definitely be suggesting that she look into it.
Graces7 wrote: » https://www.rte.ie/news/health/2019/0114/1023210-nurses-industrial-action/ Cancelling surgery etc. Great way for nurses to act :eek:
Goldengirl wrote: » I suppose she doesn't want to get caught in trivia like this. She has a bigger message to get out than trying to unravel the misinformation spread by government ( some on this thread, I would think ) . Obviously total annual earnings are not the same for every nurse and, to be honest , is the way successive governments have fudged the nurses' pay issue. Because every nurse's premium is different, depending on where one works , what hours , and qualifications. It is possible to increase your pay , yes, but basic pay is the same . As I have said before many nurses work in areas that do not open at weekends and at nighttime , and these nurses often have to work extra hours doing agency or bank to pay the bills . So as well as going a full week Monday to Friday, that nurse might work a Saturday night or Sunday shift .It is this basic pay that is turning newly qualified nurses off because it is so much lower than what they can get in Australia and other countries with their qualifications . Also while basic pay appears lower in UK , factors like sterling, London weighting and more promotional posts make the NHS more attractive.
orourkeda1977 wrote: » If he can find money to donate to random Ethiopians, he can do the same for the nurses
Samuel Vimes wrote: » Very few "Random Ethiopians" are as overpaid as Irish Nurses! Some of the best paid Nurses in Europe, one of the highest rates of Nurses to population in the OECD, and as usual they are trying to blackmail the government into giving them another undeserved pay rise, no doubt they will be going on strike for a 28 hour week next!:mad:
hawkelady wrote: » I see that the nurse who posted her payslip online a few weeks ago will be interviewed on prime time tonight. Should set the record straight
