Isambard wrote: » I've said it before, but how about new stations at Blarney, Rathduff, Buttevant etc and a stopping train service from Cork to Limerick City.
marno21 wrote: » New railway stations are part of the Cork Metropolitan Transport Strategy to be published this month. Not sure why Youghal + new stations can't all be done over an extended period. By the way, I wasn't suggesting Youghal should be opened now, but it looks good for viability in 10 years time or so.
no.8 wrote: » Good points with the exception of the higher fares comment. Park and Ride commuters will generally travel to the closest station (if the facilities suit). It's not free to drive to midleton from afar either. Well, as a railway advocate it is on the one hand sad that there won't be a connection anytime soon, but on the other hand the alignment will be preserved and the corridor may prove viable down the line (literally).
Markcheese wrote: » Because its been brilliant since the 80s
tabbey wrote: » These places are on the existing main road which can serve the town centres such as Mallow and Charleville, thus more attractive to the travelling public. A stopping rail service would have to go via Limerick Junction rather than direct through Croom. The additional distance and travel time would be uncompetitive. It would be nice to have the direct rail route, but even when it existed, it was very underused. The chances of reopening are currently zero.
Isambard wrote: » The rational of wanting a line re-opened just because it is there escapes me.
Okon wrote: » ... and would likely be very little used. A journey from Youghal to Cork city would still be quicker by car, so I don't see too many people opting for a longer commute. A greenway keeps the route open though, so should things change one day and the rail link is deemed profitable to re-open at least there won't be a housing estate built on the route instead.
end of the road wrote: » profitable? very very very few passenger railways anywhere in the world are profitable. so whether it is or isn't profitable to reopen it or not is completely irrelevant. what is relevant is how much funding it will save elsewhere such as on more road capacity for singley occupied cars. it is very unlikely that the route will be returned to rail use now. even though, quite likely i suspect, the proposed greenway will have little usage, as it does not offer anything. greenways like the waterford one have something worth cycling to see. youghal has what? but not a problem, we can spend a hell of a lot more money on more road capacity for single person cars and congest the city further. not to mention stretching the council budget which probably isn't enough as it is, to take on maintenence?
Isambard wrote: » I don't really see how a Greenway from/to Youghal can offer less than the one in Waterford. You don't usually go to a destination, the actually cycling or walking is what people do it for, they enjoy the experience , admire the countryside, stop for a bit of lunch somewhere and cycle /walk back again. If that somewhere they stop is in Youghal then it's a big plus, Youghal needs all the new trade it can get.
Isambard wrote: » Charleville station is nowhere near either the main road or the town centre.
Frostybrew wrote: » Because the Waterford greenway offers some spectacular mountain, coastal, and river scenery and stunning views; along with many examples of interesting railway engineering with viaducts and tunnels. Youghal to Midleton offers ditches.
Markcheese wrote: » Ah but they're east cork ditches... There are actually some nice views and visitas from along the line,(especially looking south after kilkeagh towards youghal Bay) there arent many villages to stop at, just 2 between Midleton and youghal, but it is beautiful country side,
Isambard wrote: » I thought the lesson had been learned on the WRC, you don't stop at every place where there was originally a station. Not only would such stations inflate the cost, they'd also make the journey time less competitive
Markcheese wrote: » I don't think it matters so much on a greenway...
Isambard wrote: » i'd wager almost all the people using it don't give a flying duck for the railway infrastructure.
Quackster wrote: » As someone who's cycled the Waterford greenway, whilst the scenery was very attractive in places, the overriding source of enjoyment was being able to cycle on a country road that was completely free of motorised traffic. I've no doubt many others feel similarly and therefore would expect the Youghal greenway to do well, regardless of how 'boring' the countryside is. I'd hate to see a greenway obstructing a future reopening of a railway but at the same time I'd hate to see a former railway idle for years, probably decades, to come instead of being put to good use.
Lord Glentoran wrote: » No greenway will ever be allowed to work as a railway again.
Frostybrew wrote: » The figure quoted for the development of the greenway is €19 million. Let's hope a sizeable portion of this figure is for bridge rebuilding which will facilitate double tracking and electrification post 2030.
Markcheese wrote: » How the hell will it cost 19 million to clear and surface the line, there shouldn't be any major engineering, the Aligment already exists, (not sure about where it crosses the n25...) Or am I just old, and still think 19 million is a lot of money...?
Markcheese wrote: » Well they're already looking at turning the old Blackrock line in Cork (a path for decades) into a joint tram way and greenway... It does add complication though...
