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Brexit Discussion Thread VI

johnnyskeleton

Hi folks, as Theresa May has won the vote of no confidence and we are heading into Brexit day early next year, I thought for the new thread people might give their summary of their views on Brexit to date before we get into the more day to day discussions.

So what do you think about what has happened so far? Who has come off well, who has come off badly?

Where do you think Brexit is going? What is going to be the likely impact on Ireland, Northern Ireland, the rest of the U.K. and the E.U. respectively?

Both this thread and the Mark V thread will remain open simultaneously for the next day or so and Mark V will be closed as it gets closer to the server busting 10,000 mark. Hopefully we can set down a solid foundation now for a top quality thread to come!

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Enzokk

Seems its nothing really at 10pm.

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1085646910348644357

Itssoeasy

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

TM to make statement at 10 - presumably, she'll begin "Let me be clear", and proceed to be anything but so.

I mean we'd like to hear new music but you can't deny the hits like "let me be clear."

Capt'n Midnight

For Forks Sake wrote: »

"We will take back control of our borders, our laws and our money" ad nauseum.

And something about fish.

Fish ?

[RANT]

Grove has already sold out on this. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

The usual countries will be allowed fish in UK waters.

UK import most of their fish from Europe and export most of their catch to Europe. ( different species - but go figure on how they hope to have future deals )

50% of the NI quota is held by ONE BOAT.

Inshore fishermen only have 1 or 2% of Scotland's quota.

The UK have allowed foreign trawlers land 50% of the UK total in FOREIGN PORTS.

The UK have not revoked licences on foreign trawlers thatrepeatedly and blatantly break UK and EU regulations .

There's a dingy in Cornwall or Portsmouth that has a larger quota than most of the English inshore fishermen put together.

For someone whose family was involved in fishing Grove is just pure spin

Michael Gove's father denies his company was destroyed by EU policies

[/RANT]

PeadarCo

Irishmale0399 wrote:

Is it only me or are the UK forgetting that the EU have to aggree to change any further deals??? They all seem confident that they will pop into Brussels and tell the EU this is the deal...you have to accept it.

Welcome to the world of Brexit. The EU will bow down to whatever the UK asks. It's been like this from day 1. I think it was Davis who said the minute the UK decided to leave it held all the cards. Reality has shown things to be different. It's crazy that this hasn't hit home and people can still get away with saying stuff like this. There are a string of broken promises that were made because the idea would just accept everything the UK wants. Its depressing that for alot of people in the UK that they haven't realised they are dealing with an economic superpower. Until this reality is acknowledged it will be difficult to get a deal and all the compromises and broken promises that it entails.

wiggle16

Enzokk wrote: »

That seems to be the modus operandi for the UK before they go into a negotiations. They state what they want and act like it is all but done before they get brought back down to earth in the real world.

Worked for them in the 19th century. They've got too used to it.

Akrasia

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So what's this statement that Theresa May is going to give at 10pm about then ?

She'll call Corbyn mean names because he didn't accept her meeting tbis evening and she'll say she has to deliver the brexit people voted for

joeysoap

But if 11 turn up in Westminster to vote then each effectively represents 9% of the electorate.

A Dub in Glasgo

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

TM to make statement at 10 - presumably, she'll begin "Let me be clear", and proceed to be anything but so.

"Now is not the time for me to state Brexit means Brexit so let me be clear that we all need to be strong and stable to banish the rhetoric of no deal is better than a bad deal..... good night"

blanch152

BonnieSituation wrote: »

You're complaining that a group of MPs that are only MPs solely on the basis that they are abstentionist have the temerity to be abstentionist.

I think that he is complaining that they have the temerity to sit on both sides of the fence in typical SF fashion.

Firstly, they are standing idly by while Northern Ireland faces the biggest challenge of the last 50 years. Not only standing idly by in Westminister, but also in Stormont. Secondly, while standing idly by, they are complaining about what everyone else is doing. Farcically issuing warnings to Varadkar, complaining that May is only listening to the DUP, crying over Brexit, why don't they actually do something other than whinge?

Professor Moriarty

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

91% ?

In 2015 the DUP got 184,260 votes in the GE out of a population of 1.847 million.

90% of the population DID NOT VOTE FOR THEM.

A poll two months ago showed that 61% of voters in Northern Ireland want Brexit scrapped if it means a hard border.

Donald Trump

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

91% ?

In 2015 the DUP got 184,260 votes in the GE out of a population of 1.847 million.

90% of the population DID NOT VOTE FOR THEM.

Read what I wrote.

10/11 of the NI representative's votes in London are pro-Brexit.

Is that not true?

Irishmale0399

flazio wrote: »

Wouldn't that be the Millennium bug, er I mean the No Deal catastrophe?

Question at this stage is would it be a catastrophe??? If the EU let them out on their terms and they get a good deal Spain, Greece, Portugal or Italy will be next. Take all the benifits without commitment.

Personally think the EU has to be harder with them, make an example of them and ensure not other EU country thinks for a minute about trying the same.

FrancieBrady

Donald Trump wrote: »

Huh?

I'm not complaining about anything. If the right honourable representative for fart-on-sea doesn't turn up to Westminister, I don't care. If NI SF reps are not going to participate and they want to ignore what goes on in Westminister then they should do that. Just ignore it. Don't be going on to radio stations and TV giving interviews about something you don't care enough about to participate in. If they want to abstain on principle, then properly abstain. Don't be the hurler on the ditch roaring and shouting. If you don't want to be in the game, go do something else.

I'd say that they'd be a bit annoyed to be described as how you described them though

That's a complaint in fairness.

SF's voters are clearly happy with what their reps achieve for them. End off really.

Donald Trump

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I see. But you're not complaining.

Yes, you are right. I am not complaining.

You seem very touchy about someone making the simple observation that if the DUP flipped then the government would lose by one vote. Are you upset by that part of the statement?

Then the second part is that if there was a party with two or more votes, then they could hold the balance of power and wield a lot of influence.

Don't know why you'd take a statement of fact so personally tbh.

Capt'n Midnight

Donald Trump wrote: »

Based on the figures 91% of Northern Irish votes are pro-Brexit and pro-hard border/no-deal. The NI voters vote for their representatives and those representatives go to London and vote on the public's behalf. And 91% of those representative votes are pro-Brexit.

91% ?

In 2015 the DUP got 184,260 votes in the GE out of a population of 1.847 million.

90% of the population DID NOT VOTE FOR THEM.

BonnieSituation

Donald Trump wrote: »

Huh?

I'm not complaining about anything. If the right honourable representative for fart-on-sea doesn't turn up to Westminister, I don't care. If NI SF reps are not going to participate and you want to ignore what goes on in Westminister then they should do that. Just ignore it. Don't be going on to radio stations and TV giving interviews about something you don't care enough about to participate in. If they want to abstain on principle, then properly abstain. Don't be the hurler on the ditch roaring and shouting. If you don't want to be in the game, go do something else.

I'd say that they'd be a bit annoyed to be described as how you described them though

I see. But you're not complaining.

Enzokk

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Is it only me or are the UK forgetting that the EU have to aggree to change any further deals??? They all seem confident that they will pop into Brussels and tell the EU this is the deal...you have to accept it.

Really turning into a bigger joke by the minute, its a case of take the deal on offer or leave it.......surely soon the EU has to cut its ties and tell them to stop wasting their time and EU money.

That seems to be the modus operandi for the UK before they go into a negotiations. They state what they want and act like it is all but done before they get brought back down to earth in the real world.

seamus

Most likely more hot air, some call on all parties to unite in order to move forward and an accusation against the EU of putting the UK in this position by refusing to compromise.

For Forks Sake

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

TM to make statement at 10 - presumably, she'll begin "Let me be clear", and proceed to be anything but so.

"We will take back control of our borders, our laws and our money" ad nauseum.

And something about fish.

Donald Trump

BonnieSituation wrote: »

You're complaining that a group of MPs that are only MPs solely on the basis that they are abstentionist have the temerity to be abstentionist.

Huh?

I'm not complaining about anything. If the right honourable representative for fart-on-sea doesn't turn up to Westminister, I don't care. If NI SF reps are not going to participate and they want to ignore what goes on in Westminister then they should do that. Just ignore it. Don't be going on to radio stations and TV giving interviews about something you don't care enough about to participate in. If they want to abstain on principle, then properly abstain. Don't be the hurler on the ditch roaring and shouting. If you don't want to be in the game, go do something else.

I'd say that they'd be a bit annoyed to be described as how you described them though

RMAOK

wiggle16 wrote: »

Maybe she'll come out of Downing st to say that it was all a dream and there's no Brexit and everything is just fine....

The old Bobby Ewing scenario...

Doubt Theresa may will say anything ground breaking tbh - probably just say she'll have more discussions with the EU :rolleyes:

RobMc59

DOCARCH wrote: »

Sammy Wilson to be new PM?

Nicola Sturgeon would be a great UK prime minister-certainly better than may or corbyn!

devnull

According to Sky News, Labour now suggesting they will be prepared to keep putting forward no confidence proposals until they pass and they want to have one more crack at it very soon.

Other parties rounding on Labour now saying that they are acting badly by not implementing what was voted at their own party conference and that it's time to move on from such motions.

The way to deal with Corbyn's situation now is for his party to vote no confidence in him, but even if they do that the members will likely vote him back in as leaver which is laughable.

Meanwhile Labour have released another party political broadcast today to push for an election, guess what they don't talk about?

https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1085584734959403008

Hurrache

lawred2 wrote: »

Nah

She's going to announce that she's going back to Brussels to renegotiate the agreement

Hurrah

The DUP have made it known that had their MPs not supported her in the no confidence vote she would have lost by 1 I think it was. It would not surprise me if she did say she wants further discussions around the backstop, under duress.

Then again, she could just say that no deal is off the table to put more pressure on labour.

wiggle16

Maybe she'll come out of Downing st to say that it was all a dream and there's no Brexit and everything is just fine....

BonnieSituation

Donald Trump wrote: »

What makes you think I'm moaning?

Just pointing out facts. Fairly useful things those.

You're complaining that a group of MPs that are only MPs solely on the basis that they are abstentionist have the temerity to be abstentionist.

lawred2

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1085643801425784838

More twists?

Nah

She's going to announce that she's going back to Brussels to renegotiate the agreement

Hurrah

Hurrache

Whatever her statement is going to be, it'll be an anticlimax. That's one thing we've come to learn to expect from May every time something like this is announced.

BonnieSituation

Water John wrote: »

I can see Corbyn's dilemna. If he attends, May then says she consulted.
She has not indicated any willingness to compromise on her red lines despite yesterday's vote.

Absolutely; but at this stage go in and see what can be achieved. We know what the answer is but Lab PC, LD and the SNP can all exit and show the country a united front saying that this twaddle can't continue.

Though tbh I'm on the side of Vincent Cable and think that the end is nigh for Corbyn.

Irishmale0399

Is it only me or are the UK forgetting that the EU have to aggree to change any further deals??? They all seem confident that they will pop into Brussels and tell the EU this is the deal...you have to accept it.

Really turning into a bigger joke by the minute, its a case of take the deal on offer or leave it.......surely soon the EU has to cut its ties and tell them to stop wasting their time and EU money.