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Brexit Discussion Thread VI

johnnyskeleton

Hi folks, as Theresa May has won the vote of no confidence and we are heading into Brexit day early next year, I thought for the new thread people might give their summary of their views on Brexit to date before we get into the more day to day discussions.

So what do you think about what has happened so far? Who has come off well, who has come off badly?

Where do you think Brexit is going? What is going to be the likely impact on Ireland, Northern Ireland, the rest of the U.K. and the E.U. respectively?

Both this thread and the Mark V thread will remain open simultaneously for the next day or so and Mark V will be closed as it gets closer to the server busting 10,000 mark. Hopefully we can set down a solid foundation now for a top quality thread to come!

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Imreoir2

devnull wrote: »

No Confidence 306
Confidence 325

What a waste of time by the deluded Labour leader.

Seemingly some Labour MPs must have voted confidence in the government?

Beechwoodspark

Waste of time for all involved. Labour need to send Corbyn off to the old folks home that’s all he’s good for

devnull

No Confidence 306
Confidence 325

No surprise really to be honest, Corbyn is more interested in power than trying to sort this issue out, trying to get in power is effecting his judgement and decision making.

ancapailldorcha

306-325. The noes have it.

Capt'n Midnight

Ayes 306 Noes 325

LeinsterDub

Risteard81 wrote: »

Yes it does.

The 2nd Dáil transferred its Governmental Authority of the Republic to another body to hold in trust for the people until such time as the 3rd Dáil could convene.

I'll just leave these two quotes side by side. I think they illustrate your nonsense better than I ever could

Risteard81 wrote: »

That would be hugely anti-democratic like everything the so-called "EU" does. Just like with Nice 2 and Lisbon 2.

The truth is Brexit is the correct decision, and all countries should leave the so-called "EU" and the so-called "EU" should go away and die. Our heroes of '16 would be appalled by it.

Itssoeasy

How long is there to vote does anyone know ? I can see a clock on the left balcony(for lack of a better term for it) which is counting up but I don't know how long is left. In the dail they count down which is easier.

Capt'n Midnight

Enzokk wrote: »

Impressive from Gove, had me convinced that it is going great in the UK right now. That is some pitch of his to be the next PM, still mostly lies though.

the Govt and DUP are voting against Corbyn, not for May

Capt'n Midnight

Bit cynical wrote: »

Ireland is also in favour of extending A50.

No.

We've said we wouldn't block an extension which is a very different thing. And also it would be dependent on the UK deciding on solutions it can support.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0116/1023521-brexit-ireland-reaction/

j8wk2feszrnpao

AdamD wrote: »

Brexit in crisis and the parliament are arguing over defense budgets. Laughable.

How else can they decide their strategy of having two new aircraft carriers (that they don't need, may not be able to afford to operate, and only commissioned because of American influence).

Enzokk

Impressive from Gove, had me convinced that it is going great in the UK right now. That is some pitch of his to be the next PM, still mostly lies though.

Itssoeasy

Michael gove giving a passionate speech to end the proceedings in the HoC. I say passionate because he seemed to be getting into it. It seemed a speech that was more about attacking Jeremy Corbyn than defending Theresa May, as he spent a lot of time talking about Corbyn than May.

lawred2

branie2 wrote: »

Only a few minutes to go to the vote

Despite obliterating TM last night those Tories will be back voting on party lines.. utterly deranged

[Deleted User]

Brexit in crisis and the parliament are arguing over defense budgets. Laughable.

prawnsambo

Risteard81 wrote: »

Their product is already in Ireland.

Ireland has 32 Counties.

Unfortunately the rules in your parallel universe didn't follow you through the wormhole to ours. So as it stands, the six counties of Antrim, Armagh, Derry, Fermanagh, Tyrone and Down exist in a different jurisdiction from the other 26. Hence all the talk about 'borders'. So if you want to take part in this discussion, you'll probably have to get your head around that.

So with that being said, is there something practical that you can add to my post that you quoted?

branie2

Only a few minutes to go to the vote

j8wk2feszrnpao

Risteard81 wrote: »

I always have referred to it as such actually, so that makes you look rather silly.

It's called asking a question. Your failure to recognize a question mark makes you look silly. One of many ways you look silly.

wiggle16

Risteard81 wrote: »

I absolutely do recognise the true Government of the Sovereign Irish Republic proclaimed in arms at Easter 1916. I also recognise that the sovereignty and unity of the Republic are inalienable and non-judicable.

prawnsambo wrote: »

That declaration seems to be hedged very carefully. The government that was declared in 1916 doesn't exist any more.

I thought that too.... the words "true Government" stick out a bit there.

Risteard81, so do you live in some sort of anachronistic bubble?

Seeing how you don't think the EU, the UK, or Republic of Ireland (Free State, maybe?) actually exist?

You said when you voted for Brexit you voted for a hard Brexit. At the time of the referendum that concept did not exist because it was not considered a possibility and so it was not discussed.

lawred2

SNIP.

ancapailldorcha

Mod: Cut out the "so-called" nonsense. It's juvenile.

Hurrache

Risteard81 wrote: »

I always have referred to it as such actually, so that makes you look rather silly.

Calling a Union of European countries a so called European Union is what's pathetically silly.

Risteard81

prawnsambo wrote: »

That declaration seems to be hedged very carefully. The government that was declared in 1916 doesn't exist any more.

Yes it does.

The 2nd Dáil transferred its Governmental Authority of the Republic to another body to hold in trust for the people until such time as the 3rd Dáil could convene.

Risteard81

prawnsambo wrote: »

Then there's the more obvious situation of NI (sic) dairy producers getting their product processed in Ireland.

Their product is already in Ireland.

Ireland has 32 Counties.

prawnsambo

Risteard81 wrote: »

I absolutely do recognise the true Government of the Sovereign Irish Republic proclaimed in arms at Easter 1916. I also recognise that the sovereignty and unity of the Republic are inalienable and non-judicable.

That declaration seems to be hedged very carefully. The government that was declared in 1916 doesn't exist any more.

Risteard81

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Or do you refer to the UK as the so called UK?

I always have referred to it as such actually, so that makes you look rather silly.

It most certainly is not a united kingdom, the same way as the Brussels cabal is not uniting Europe.

prawnsambo

Water John wrote: »

My understanding of tonight's No Confidence vote is that TM could come back for a second vote within 14 days.
Oh the irony, of MPs being asked to vote a second time.

Kowtow, Lb have been saying that as per there idea, staying in a CU would do away with the need of the NI backstop. Some disagree with this.

Well yes, the CU alone isn't enough. NI has to be part of the single market too. An interesting example was given on the radio today of somebody in Donegal getting treatment for something like cancer in a Derry hospital. That would be impossible without both being in the SM. Then there's the more obvious situation of NI dairy producers getting their product processed in Ireland. That can't continue without both being in the same regulatory framework.

Risteard81

prawnsambo wrote: »

He never answers this question. But he doesn't recognise the Irish government either, so I really wouldn't bother.

I absolutely do recognise the true Government of the Sovereign Irish Republic proclaimed in arms at Easter 1916. I also recognise that the sovereignty and unity of the Republic are inalienable and non-judicable.

Lackey

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Arlene Foster can go on international news and deny that there was ever a hard border in Northern Ireland - and not get called out on it.

Did you see the responses to that on Twitter ...
Comedy gold

Can I ask the knowledge people on this thread in regards to the vote tonight
Is it all for show because the voted against the deal?
Does anyone actually want May’s job right now?

Risteard81

branie2 wrote: »

I think they should cancel Brexit

Never.

kowtow

Water John wrote: »

Kowtow, Lb have been saying that as per there idea, staying in a CU would do away with the need of the NI backstop. Some disagree with this.

Yeh I thought I had heard Corbyn say that but as a matter of principle we should surely require the backstop for NI regardless of the actual trade deal agreed... at least on the assumption that the UK is not prepared to enter a deal it cannot somehow exit of it's own volition at some point in the future.