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Brexit Discussion Thread VI

johnnyskeleton

Hi folks, as Theresa May has won the vote of no confidence and we are heading into Brexit day early next year, I thought for the new thread people might give their summary of their views on Brexit to date before we get into the more day to day discussions.

So what do you think about what has happened so far? Who has come off well, who has come off badly?

Where do you think Brexit is going? What is going to be the likely impact on Ireland, Northern Ireland, the rest of the U.K. and the E.U. respectively?

Both this thread and the Mark V thread will remain open simultaneously for the next day or so and Mark V will be closed as it gets closer to the server busting 10,000 mark. Hopefully we can set down a solid foundation now for a top quality thread to come!

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Capt'n Midnight

Enzokk wrote: »

Impressive from Gove, had me convinced that it is going great in the UK right now. That is some pitch of his to be the next PM, still mostly lies though.

the Govt and DUP are voting against Corbyn, not for May

Itssoeasy

How long is there to vote does anyone know ? I can see a clock on the left balcony(for lack of a better term for it) which is counting up but I don't know how long is left. In the dail they count down which is easier.

LeinsterDub

Risteard81 wrote: »

Yes it does.

The 2nd Dáil transferred its Governmental Authority of the Republic to another body to hold in trust for the people until such time as the 3rd Dáil could convene.

I'll just leave these two quotes side by side. I think they illustrate your nonsense better than I ever could

Risteard81 wrote: »

That would be hugely anti-democratic like everything the so-called "EU" does. Just like with Nice 2 and Lisbon 2.

The truth is Brexit is the correct decision, and all countries should leave the so-called "EU" and the so-called "EU" should go away and die. Our heroes of '16 would be appalled by it.

Capt'n Midnight

Ayes 306 Noes 325

ancapailldorcha

306-325. The noes have it.

devnull

No Confidence 306
Confidence 325

No surprise really to be honest, Corbyn is more interested in power than trying to sort this issue out, trying to get in power is effecting his judgement and decision making.

Beechwoodspark

Waste of time for all involved. Labour need to send Corbyn off to the old folks home that’s all he’s good for

Imreoir2

devnull wrote: »

No Confidence 306
Confidence 325

What a waste of time by the deluded Labour leader.

Seemingly some Labour MPs must have voted confidence in the government?

VinLieger

So what was the point of all that then?

Itssoeasy

I mean she survives the vote but honestly that doesn't solve the utter mess of brexit. Let's not try and make it seem all is good in the world.

Capt'n Midnight

So now for the first time since the announcement of the election pledge back in 2015 the Tories will try to start cross party talks.

Whether they will listen or even if there will be a consensus is a different kettle of fish altogether.

LeinsterDub

VinLieger wrote: »

So what was the point of all that then?

You mean the vote of no confidence or the last two and a half years? Both seem like giant wastes of time

Hurrache

Everyone laughing at Nigel Dodds.

Frank Bullitt

At least they have stable leadership now to get on with things...

prawnsambo

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I mean she survives the vote but honestly that doesn't solve the utter mess of brexit. Let's not try and make it seem all is good in the world.

Yeah, it's just another groundhog day. Rinse and repeat until they all wake up after brexit day and realise that it's just passed them by. Never seen a parliament so intent on navel gazing in the face of such a calamitous event. It's like they're paralysed by fear and just keep doing the same things over and over in the hope of somehow something changing.

Lackey

Lackey wrote: »

Can I ask the knowledge people on this thread in regards to the vote tonight
Is it all for show because the voted against the deal?
Does anyone actually want May’s job right now?

I don’t think anyone really wants May’s job
Just to be seen to criticise
Now they want a deal but won’t agree with any deal put forward?

Kiith

Utter delusion from Dodds.

Mr.Wemmick

Time for Corbyn to go.

A decent opposition is needed with a leader who can unite and represent the labour party and the country. Corbyn represents no one but himself.

s3rtvdbwfj81ch

is she safe for another year now, like with the party vote?

lawred2

There is hardly a handful of people in the parliament that truly have any faith in TM's government. But better a farce from your party as PM than a farce from them lot over the way.

An absolute farce of a parliament.

Enzokk

Bot42 wrote: »

is she safe for another year now, like with the party vote?

No, Labour can have as many no confidence motions as they want against the government.

lawred2

Bot42 wrote: »

is she safe for another year now, like with the party vote?

Nah that's just a Tory leadership party rule

Imreoir2

Bot42 wrote: »

is she safe for another year now, like with the party vote?

No. There could be another vote of no confidence tomorrow, though it's unlikely given the margin tonight.

devnull

Dodd's essentially saying to May now that do what we say or we will finish you by essentially stating they are nothing without the DUPs support.

Not surprising.

s3rtvdbwfj81ch

Enzokk wrote: »

No, Labour can have as many no confidence motions as they want against the government.

lawred2 wrote: »

Nah that's just a Tory leadership party rule

Imreoir2 wrote: »

No. There could be another vote of no confidence tomorrow, though it's unlikely given the margin tonight.

thanks guys!

A Dub in Glasgo

Breakdown of the vote, I think the independent that voted for May was that ex Labour MP who is up on sex charges who clearly does not want to lose his job in an election

https://twitter.com/MammothWhale/status/1085593694022107136

Akrasia

Labour spokespeople coming out now saying that they still want to push for a general election

This is utterly utterly farcical. I hope the Labour party membership rise up immediately against the front bench and demand that the roadmap agreed at their conference is respected.

Corbyn has only a few days left to redeem himself.

j8wk2feszrnpao

As pointless a vote as the Brexit one the preceded it.
A Labour leader with the conviction to take a proper and formal stand on Brexit would be PM in no time. Corybyn is incompetent, as are those that stand behind him.

The one vote they really need, a second Brexit referendum (for the county to make a final statement after all the rubbish since the first), will be resisted by May as they country and Parliament continue to fight internally.

DOCARCH

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Breakdown of the vote, I think the independent that voted for May was that ex Labour MP who is up on sex charges who clearly does not want to lose his job in an election.

Could be Sylvia Hermon? Independent unionist?

Folkstonian

I thought Michael Gove’s speech was really excellent. His appraisal of Corbyn was absolutely spot on.

Im really not sure how things proceed now. It’s a bit late in the day for crisis talks between party leaders, but Labour and the SNP don’t seem interested in the offer anyway.