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Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

jjmcclure

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/homeless-mumofseven-margaret-cash-appears-in-court-over-stealing-300-worth-of-clothes-from-penneys-37434491.html

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tayto lover

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

I have no problem fighting, in fact preparing for my first MMA fight coming up shortly but there isn’t a hope in hell I’d fight a traveller. I could beat him with an iron bar and he’d still get up and knock the piss out of me, they seem to be made from some sort of titanium/carbon fibre mix

I disagree.
Anytime I've seen them fighting they are in groups and not even that tough.
One on one they generally run away.

Deebles McBeebles

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

I have no problem fighting, in fact preparing for my first MMA fight coming up shortly but there isn’t a hope in hell I’d fight a traveller. I could beat him with an iron bar and he’d still get up and knock the piss out of me, they seem to be made from some sort of titanium/carbon fibre mix

I dunno about that but you would certainly end up feeling like you're in 300 once the rest of the family hears about it.

tretorn

tayto lover wrote: »

I disagree.
Anytime I've seen them fighting they are in groups and not even that tough.
One on one they generally run away.

I think they are a bit cowardly too, anyone who beats up woman and children and pets is a coward to me and traveller men quite often are domestic abusers.

KrustyUCC

The latest from Margaret even though way too few spelling mistakes to be from her

"Carrickmines killings was no accident in where the goverment could have saved the lives of ten people including a unborn baby. Year after year the victims had beg their local authority for safe accomodation and only laugh at, if only racism was not a issue. If this was a private company, public service sector or most any other set-up there might be hope for justice, unfortunately where government is implicit and involved, it's unlikely that justice will ever be got. RIP angles

padd b1975

Gravelly wrote: »

They've only about 6 or 7 surnames between the 30,000 of them so it's usually not hard to guess.

Same goes for first names.

Ray Palmer

BattleCorp wrote: »

Are we supposed to pay for an unending number of halting sites because many families are involved in feuds?

If they can't behave like normal civilised people, they should be told to fcuk off.

Living on the side of the road in a caravan but having a fancy 4x4 means that they aren't poor. They just chose to spend their money that way.

Why don't they change their lifestyle so? Oh yeah, they shun education because they have far more benefits by maintaining the status quo.

The councils are obliged to provide them with safe halting sites. Part of the rules and if managed badly by placing people together ends up with a destroyed halting site they are failing in their duty. That is it nothing else. I am not saying it is right or wrong they have to provide them it has to be done as part of the job. They aren't doing their job in the councils.

Owning a car does not make you rich if that is all you own. It would also be a vehicle for work and to use with their homes which are mobile.

Irish people have an unhealthy lifestyles as whole so why don't they change? Can you change everything about how you live and desert your family?

I do question the validity of their culture that leaves them and their children in poor living conditions with no opportunities. Ultimately it is their choice and the government along with EU regulations protects and supports that choice. The decision is made and protected you and I don't get to decide how they live.

Never understood why they don't organise themselves to provide halting sites for themselves or education options.

They are marginalised and mistrusted it doesn't matter about the justifications. Mistreatment is mistreatment so beating a dog that is snarling and barking or a friendly one licking your hand is the same.

Their behaviour is no different from some settled people and can be found all around.

Deebles McBeebles

"Carrickmines killings was no accident"

That should read "Carrickmines was accident no killings" but she got the words mixed up.

tretorn

Seriously the PHD thing while very commendable is a bit of nonsense really. The subject was the same stuff we have been hearing since 1960, the poor travellers are discriminated against blah, blah. I mean how could you even write more than a couple of pages on this stuff never mind a PHD. I would have more respect if the PHD had been on something useful.

How in gods earth could someone accept this PHD suggestion when you have a young female traveller, practically the same age as Doctor Cindy Joyce going on facebook moaning that shes poor and then selling communion outfits for hundreds of euros. We know exactly how much she and her seven children are living on and yet she claims she cant put a roof over her childrens heads. She portrays herself as a poor widow living in Dickensian times in such poverty that she has to steal clothes from Penneys and I dont mean steal underwear and socks, she steals over three hundred euros worth of stuff and thats in one shopping spree.

We know a traveller funeral is expected to be of such trouble to Longford that armed Gardai are being drafted in to make sure slash hooks arent used in the church. We heard this week that Irish travellers are causing a lot of trouble in Lanzarote and then there is the situation in Rathkeale when hundreds of Gardai were rostered to keep the peace.

And then we are supposed to think being awarded a pHD for writing about traveller discrimination is worthy of media attention.

Ruraldweller56

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

I have no problem fighting, in fact preparing for my first MMA fight coming up shortly but there isn’t a hope in hell I’d fight a traveller. I could beat him with an iron bar and he’d still get up and knock the piss out of me, they seem to be made from some sort of titanium/carbon fibre mix

Nonsense. I boxed for years and as a general rule of thumb they aren't up to much. In fact a regular thing was being threatened by the big brother before the fight. Happened to me in St Francis club in Limerick and another time in Tralee.

A recurring theme is a serious lack of heart and very poor to take a body shot. You do have the obvious exceptions of course. What you tend to find is that their 'attributes' e.g. Skill, power, speed are good enough to get them by but when the difficult questions are asked they'll cave.

I think a lot of the time people confuse what is a type of fearlessness with being a genuinely tough. It's easy to be around the street in gangs getting into fights when you don't have to worry about things like - having a scar on your face going into a job interview, having a criminal record limiting your work prospects, having to take time off work because of an injury, the safety net of 20 more cousins/brothers/aunties/uncles/fathers/mothers around the place all in the same position.

[Deleted User]

KrustyUCC wrote: »

The latest from Margaret even though way too few spelling mistakes to be from her

"Carrickmines killings was no accident in where the goverment could have saved the lives of ten people including a unborn baby. Year after year the victims had beg their local authority for safe accomodation and only laugh at, if only racism was not a issue. If this was a private company, public service sector or most any other set-up there might be hope for justice, unfortunately where government is implicit and involved, it's unlikely that justice will ever be got. RIP angles

Sorry for being picky and seemingly unsympathetic, but what about the fatal combination of alcohol, drugs and an unsupervised chip pan?

It wasnt me123

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yeah , funny. Those children are dead, axxxxle .
The chip pan started the fire but the fact that the caravans were squished into a small site with inadequate fire safeguards is against regulations. But they got away with that by saying it was an emergency site . The fire hose and hydrant didn't have any water pressure........

They weren't squashed into anything - one of the families moved his caravan into the site and right up against the other caravan - in contravention of regulations - but some people don't think regulations apply to them. All of the fire extinguishes were working - why didn't they use them?

A chip pan was put there by one of the members of the families and clearly forgot to turn it off. Its an accident, but an accident of their own making - any regulation in the world can't make you turn off your own electrical appliance.

Ha Long Bay

KrustyUCC wrote: »

The latest from Margaret even though way too few spelling mistakes to be from her

"Carrickmines killings was no accident in where the goverment could have saved the lives of ten people including a unborn baby. Year after year the victims had beg their local authority for safe accomodation and only laugh at, if only racism was not a issue. If this was a private company, public service sector or most any other set-up there might be hope for justice, unfortunately where government is implicit and involved, it's unlikely that justice will ever be got. RIP angles

Not in a million years did she write that if your quoting it correctly.

Fiftyfilthy

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

I have no problem fighting, in fact preparing for my first MMA fight coming up shortly but there isn’t a hope in hell I’d fight a traveller. I could beat him with an iron bar and he’d still get up and knock the piss out of me, they seem to be made from some sort of titanium/carbon fibre mix

I watch them box during the summer at their site and they are no different to anyone else

Some very fast and skillful others fat and useless

They do not have any super powers

KrustyUCC

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry for being picky and seemingly unsympathetic, but what about the fatal combination of alcohol, drugs and an unsupervised chip pan?

That wouldn't fit the narrative

Just blame the government and racism

KrustyUCC

john4321 wrote: »

Not in a million years did she write that if your quoting it correctly.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=578962975907996&id=100013828961306

tretorn

If the families move their caravans in in contravention of fire regulations how do they access electricity.

I presume the Council wouldnt provide an electricity supply in cases like that.

Ha Long Bay

KrustyUCC wrote: »

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=578962975907996&id=100013828961306

Wonder who wrote that for her?

Ray Palmer

tretorn wrote: »

If the families move their caravans in in contravention of fire regulations how do they access electricity.

I presume the Council wouldnt provide an electricity supply in cases like that.

The use electric generators generally and it was an illegal site and as such the regulation don't apply. It was in the papers if you read the story.

ohnonotgmail

john4321 wrote: »

Wonder who wrote that for her?

whoever it was they share a pretty common affliction of being unable to spell angels.

Deebles McBeebles

tretorn wrote: »

If the families move their caravans in in contravention of fire regulations how do they access electricity.

I presume the Council wouldnt provide an electricity supply in cases like that.

Bit of info on that here
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fire-extinguishers-werent-used-at-scene-of-deadly-carrickmines-fire-that-claimed-10-lives-inquest-37708683.html
Brian Kennedy, a senior caretaker with the Traveller section of the council, said a fire extinguisher was put in the bay occupied by the Connors’ cabin and that a smoke alarm had been fitted inside the cabin.
He said Thomas Connors “insisted” that his cabin be located in the position it was as he wanted to be able to see from his front door when his children walked to the toilet block at night.
Electrical contractor Carl Fortune told the inquest this afternoon his company carried out a substantial refit of the electrics at the halting site in May 2015 and said they were “100pc safe” after this.
He said the fusebox inside Thomas Connors’ cabin was replaced and a smoke alarm was installed.
In relation to the smoke alarm, he said: “There were complaints of it going off so it was replaced with a heat detector.”

punisher5112

tretorn wrote: »

If the families move their caravans in in contravention of fire regulations how do they access electricity.

I presume the Council wouldnt provide an electricity supply in cases like that.

They tend to use street lights or other street furniture that would have electricity.

punisher5112

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Bit of info on that here
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fire-extinguishers-werent-used-at-scene-of-deadly-carrickmines-fire-that-claimed-10-lives-inquest-37708683.html
Brian Kennedy, a senior caretaker with the Traveller section of the council, said a fire extinguisher was put in the bay occupied by the Connors’ cabin and that a smoke alarm had been fitted inside the cabin.
He said Thomas Connors “insisted” that his cabin be located in the position it was as he wanted to be able to see from his front door when his children walked to the toilet block at night.
Electrical contractor Carl Fortune told the inquest this afternoon his company carried out a substantial refit of the electrics at the halting site in May 2015 and said they were “100pc safe” after this.
He said the fusebox inside Thomas Connors’ cabin was replaced and a smoke alarm was installed.
In relation to the smoke alarm, he said: “There were complaints of it going off so it was replaced with a heat detector.”

Smoking, smoking weed would be a issue setting off an alarm.

Seriously what do they want.

It would be cheaper to set up a hotel for them all to live in a bit like that 5* mount joy

Paddy Cow

KrustyUCC wrote: »

The latest from Margaret even though way too few spelling mistakes to be from her

"Carrickmines killings was no accident in where the goverment could have saved the lives of ten people including a unborn baby. Year after year the victims had beg their local authority for safe accomodation and only laugh at, if only racism was not a issue. If this was a private company, public service sector or most any other set-up there might be hope for justice, unfortunately where government is implicit and involved, it's unlikely that justice will ever be got. RIP angles

The government didn't provide weed, alcohol and a chip pan. That's a deadly combination that also takes lives in settled houses.

KrustyUCC

100% but sure it couldn't be an accident

Dang gubbermint

Ray Palmer

https://www.rte.ie/player/movie/rt%C3%A9-investigates--travellers-lives-on-the-fringes/87082536278

Worth watching to see a rounded view and it does acknowledge issues mentioned here

Deebles McBeebles

Ray Palmer wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/player/movie/rt%C3%A9-investigates--travellers-lives-on-the-fringes/87082536278

Worth watching to see a rounded view and it does acknowledge issues mentioned here

Been a while since I watched it but I seem to remember a lack of proper questioning and some pandering. I definitely wouldn't call it rounded.

Ray Palmer

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Been a while since I watched it but I seem to remember a lack of proper questioning and some pandering. I definitely wouldn't call it rounded.

It isn't even a month old

Deebles McBeebles

Ray Palmer wrote: »

It isn't even a month old

I watched it on the night it aired. It still isn't a rounded documentary.

KrustyUCC

If that's a "rounded documentary" i'd hate to see one that isn't

Ray Palmer

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I watched it on the night it aired. It still isn't a rounded documentary.

They talked to both sides fairly equally and let people reply. Just because you don't agree with what is being said doesn't make it unbalanced.

Do you think councils should be refusing to spend money they actually have to spend on services they have to provide? Does it matter what it is for?