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Brexit Discussion Thread VI

johnnyskeleton

Hi folks, as Theresa May has won the vote of no confidence and we are heading into Brexit day early next year, I thought for the new thread people might give their summary of their views on Brexit to date before we get into the more day to day discussions.

So what do you think about what has happened so far? Who has come off well, who has come off badly?

Where do you think Brexit is going? What is going to be the likely impact on Ireland, Northern Ireland, the rest of the U.K. and the E.U. respectively?

Both this thread and the Mark V thread will remain open simultaneously for the next day or so and Mark V will be closed as it gets closer to the server busting 10,000 mark. Hopefully we can set down a solid foundation now for a top quality thread to come!

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RoryMac

Headshot wrote: »

Corbyn doesnt back down

The no confidence vote is in

Can he get it over the line though?

Surely his position is in danger if he can win the vote

lbc2019

DUP will back the government in NC motion

tuxy

harr wrote: »

Sky news saying tomorrow morning

Won't it be debated tomorrow morning and voted on in the evening.

tuxy

lbc2019 wrote: »

DUP will back the government in NC motion

100% so it would take rebel Tories to dissolve the government.
I can't see it happening.

Atlantic Dawn

DUP will certainly vote for her tomorrow, if she's out of power they become meaningless.

Hurrache

JRM getting annoyed on Channel 4 because they used the term"crashing out" saying they should not be using such political terms as they're meant to be impartial.

Podge_irl

lbc2019 wrote: »

DUP will back the government in NC motion

Of course they will. They have more to lose than anyone.

intellectual dosser

tuxy wrote: »

100% so it would take rebel Tories to dissolve the government.
I can't see it happening.

Rebell Tories are snookered. They had their internal no confidence vote last month and cannot do so again for 12 months. They would not be able to oust her (unilaterally!) going into an election where they're bound to get a bruising.

bilston

Maybe I was imagining things but I'm nearly sure Keir Starmer was nodding his head when May mentioned speaking to other parties about how to get her deal through parliament. Two minutes later Corbyn stood up and basically told May it was too late now.

I thought it was an interesting contrast

I think things might be a lot clearer if Starmer was Labour leader

An Ciarraioch

And of course, the Labour conference voted to back a second referendum if and when a MONC is defeated.

BonnieSituation

RoryMac wrote: »

I'm liking the speaker, he should be on tv more

Bercow is class. God only knows how much worse that would have been without him the last few years.

CZ 453 wrote: »

I thought that amendment would have far greater support from pro union folk. Why didn't it have more?

They were miffed that they were delaying the main vote. So voted against.

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Only Scots have points of orders seemingly.

lawred2

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Jeremy C's balls have finally dropped.

She left him with no option. She called him out on it

secman

What a complete mess , Laurel and Hardy politics, you couldnt make it up. Can you only imagine what they would be saying about us if we were in their position now. Unreal

Capt'n Midnight

A reminder

Lords voted to reject Mrs May’s proposals by 321 to 152 last night.

Hurrache

Podge_irl wrote: »

Of course they will. They have more to lose than anyone.

They've already said they would, before the vote.

Seth Brundle

So If JC wins the no-confidence motion and gets and wins his general election, how much time will be left for him to renegotiate a new agreement with the EU?
Will the EU give more time without JC having a coherent plan?

Headshot

RoryMac wrote: »

Can he get it over the line though?

Surely his position is in danger if he can win the vote

I hope he does some how but the upside if he fails, I reckon that's him booted out of labour

It's a win win situation I think

BonnieSituation

Odhinn wrote: »

Will that be held tonight?

Debate tomorrow.

Vote tomorrow.

Business is being debated now by Leader and Shadow Leader.

secman

bilston wrote: »

Maybe I was imagining things but I'm nearly sure Keir Starmer was nodding his head when May mentioned speaking to other parties about how to get her deal through parliament. Two minutes later Corbyn stood up and basically told May it was too late now.

I thought it was an interesting contrast

I think things might be a lot clearer if Starmer was Labour leader

Corbyn is a joke, any half wit Labour leader would be itching for a GL and would romp home, but Labour under him would struggle to get a majority.

el Fenomeno

For those of us who want a second referendum which will result in no Brexit, this is good news isn't it?

Enzokk

We are still in limbo. JRM stated that he will vote for the government tomorrow against the motion of confidence. Which means she most likely wins that vote. But that doesn't solve Brexit as there is no majority for any Brexit other than remaining most likely.

There will not be a majority for her deal.

There will not be a majority for no-deal.

There will not be a majority for a no-confidence.

There will not be a majority for a Labour deal.

There are only two paths that I can see, either a general election or a new referendum. Parliament is not going to pass anything so they will either need to ask the question again or a new election.

Tell me how

Seth Brundle wrote: »

So If JC wins the no-confidence motion and gets and wins his general election, how much time will be left for him to renegotiate a new agreement with the EU?
Will the EU give more time without JC having a coherent plan?

I suspect they will withdraw article 50 and look to invoke it again.

Seth Brundle

Tell me how wrote: »

I suspect they will withdraw article 50 and look to invoke it again.

That would work against them severely though.

Kiith

Once again, the UK government show how absolutely incapable they are of getting anything done. Absolute laughing stock.

Tell me how wrote: »

I suspect they will withdraw article 50 and look to invoke it again.

The EU should tell them to **** right off if they tried that.

RoryMac

Headshot wrote: »

I hope he does some how but the upside if he fails, I reckon that's him booted out of labour

It's a win win situation I think

Corbyn's problem is he doesn't have an alternative to May's deal, if he wins tomorrow and wins a GE what will his position be?

Adamcp898

Can we move on from interviewing Matt Hancock please. He's stumbling around in circles.

bilston

el Fenomeno wrote: »

For those of us who want a second referendum which will result in no Brexit, this is good news isn't it?

Hard to say

I don't think a second referendum will ever happen with May as PM

prawnsambo

Enzokk wrote: »

We are still in limbo. JRM stated that he will vote for the government tomorrow against the motion of confidence. Which means she most likely wins that vote. But that doesn't solve Brexit as there is no majority for any Brexit other than remaining most likely.

There will not be a majority for her deal.

There will not be a majority for no-deal.

There will not be a majority for a no-confidence.

There will not be a majority for a Labour deal.

There are only two paths that I can see, either a general election or a new referendum. Parliament is not going to pass anything so they will either need to ask the question again or a new election.

You seem to be leaving out the possibility of withdrawing A50

Roger_007

118 Tory MPs voted against May's deal. This is very close to the number who voted against May in the recent Tory leadership confidence motion. How can those MP's do other than vote against the government tomorrow to retain any credibility?

A Dub in Glasgo

Well that was a bit of a kicking