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Jay_mate_jay

I was wondering what tips or if anyone had any recommendations they could lend please

We are a very respectable family with good jobs and a very well behaved dog trying to move into a rental home in the Swords area in Dublin but nothing seems to be aligning.

Would anyone be able to help please!

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Graham

Moonjet wrote: »

It's a waste of the OP's time imo. With the current rental market, for every prospective tenant with a "Doggy CV" for the landlord to review, there's probably 20 others interested in the property without any pets.

And yet renters with a dog occasionally manage to find somewhere to live.

daithiK1

During the downturn I was forced to accept tenants with a dog. While the dog didn’t destroy my property and I am a dog lover, the attitude of those tenants to me and my property at that time where they took advantage has left a significant marker in my mind.

Since then I associate dogs as low point in being a LL, to the point of now where I would likely go out of my way to avoid a reoccurrence. I strongly suspect I am not alone in this.
On this basis, Id suggest trying to present humility to any perspective landlord, showing a recognition that the dog is a problem, where perhaps upfront offering to supply an additional deposit or a one off cost of replacing some carpets, a deep clean when leaving, even the cost of replacing a back door upfront might help persuade some prospective LLSs. I know this is going to run to a few K's but for me that's what it would take. Perhaps using the part 4 timeline as the exact time to pay the one off cost would lower the risk for the tenant.

Moonjet

Julissa Unimportant Caricature wrote: »

Getting a reference for the dog is a great idea - and one of the cutest things ever.

It's a waste of the OP's time imo. With the current rental market, for every prospective tenant with a "Doggy CV" for the landlord to review, there's probably 20 others interested in the property without any pets.

Gimme A Pound

Getting a reference for the dog is a great idea - and one of the cutest things ever.

Hoboo

Graham wrote: »

Mod

Does anyone have any useful suggestion how the OP might make the presence of a pet less off-putting to a potential landlord?

A wig and a dress, ET style

Noticeboard in the vets in swords/santry? They might be seen by potentially understanding and more pet loving landlords.

Or try posting on the Boards pet/animal pages?

bikedude

We rented a few times with a Dog. The best way we found was to go see the property and express interest.

Once the process get started mention the Dog to the landlord as he already have indicated that he do consider you as a possible tenant.

Offer to meet in person to meet the dog, and to pay a extra month deposit if possible, to add a liability clause in the contract if needed.

It’s a bit more complicated but not impossible to find something. Houses will be easier as some apartments have a no pets policy.

Daft have a pets alowed filter available, but if not mentioned No pets in the add I would always give it a try.

Best of luck.

GGTrek

Andrew00 wrote: »

Just don’t say you have a god damn dog and you’ll be grand ffs. You don’t have to tell the landlord every small detail

Really bright answer I must say. Dog easily discovered and if landlord is serious he/she will have a no pet clause in the lease, OP will receive a warning notice to get rid of dog within 14 days followed by a 28 days termination notice for breach of lease.

Andrew00

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Doesn't help is a complete understatement. It's a huge problem, most landlords will want nothing to do with you.

Just don’t say you have a god damn dog and you’ll be grand ffs. You don’t have to tell the landlord every small detail

Klonker

2 nice families that landllord spends 5 minutes talking to both, both seem grand, not much to distinguish between them. One has a dog, the other doesn't. Landlord rents to the family without the dog. People here may not like it but that would be the case 90% of the time. Why should the landlord take on an extra risk, no matter how unlikely, if didn't need to.

tvjunki

I had a tenant put a dog in and did not tell me. Back door destroyed, urine smell of the cupboard under the stairs where a dog had a duvet. Skirting board eaten as dog teething. Smell everywhere. Sofa destroyed as well. Carpets were cleaned and the smell was awful.
I was not happy and after that it was no to all dogs.

Then another brought a cat in without my permission. I allergies and had a feeling cats were there but could not prove it. Carpet was cleaned and hair lifted in the pile in the end I had to replace the carpet.

You need to be upfront with your potential landlord. Your landlord could give you notice in the 6months and you are back to square one. Ask your landlord now to add areference for the dog and state if damage was made by the dog. Offer a larger deposit and definately give as much information about it. If the dog is small maybe bring with you on second viewing or offer to bring the dog so landlord can see it. Take photos of where you are now and even off the protential landlord to visit where you are now so they know the house will be looked after. If the dog is in dog daycare let them know if you are out all day.

Eric Cartman

Jay_mate_jay wrote: »

Im genuinely astounded by the negativity surrounding pets and children renting, how are any family's meant to stand a chsnce?

Having moved from England where this is not even an issue as long as you can prove you can pay your way and that you won't trash the gaff, I begin to see where the issues lie in the rental crisis.

We are lucky at the moment that we are living with family so we can bide our time a little but I'm shocked at so much of a negative response, even more so at the people who thinks it's okay to just dispose of a dog that's been a member of the family longer than my child has! Therefore love has no bounds for both my child and dog

Solid advice would be buy a house before you get a dog.

OP , disregard anyone comparing dogs to children or giving them the same priority as a human being, theyre not quite in the frame of mind to think rationally about this.

sunnysoutheast

Very small sample size but the only people I know renting with a dog got their place through word of mouth at their work from someone who had dogs themselves. Working out fine, the place isn't exactly a palace but all seem happy.

Maybe put a notice up in work if allowed?

airportgirl83

Jay_mate_jay wrote: »

I was wondering what tips or if anyone had any recommendations they could lend please

We are a very respectable family with good jobs and a very well behaved dog trying to move into a rental home in the Swords area in Dublin but nothing seems to be aligning.

Would anyone be able to help please!

I was talking to my former colleague who is renting with a dog. She basically did sort of a resume for her dog: included photos of him, described his daily care, character, habits etc. She said she was asked to pay a higher deposit as an extra security so maybe you could offer the same.

The Enbalmer

There's an IT article here. It might give you some ideas but from reading it it looks like apartments are usually a no-go with pets.

Graham

Mod

We're going a little of topic here folks.

If you'd like to debate the pros and cons of pet ownership, I'm sure there's an appropriate forum somewhere.

Otherwise let's take it for granted the OP is going to find it harder to source rental accommodation with a pet.

Does anyone have any useful suggestion how the OP might make the presence of a pet less off-putting to a potential landlord?

Gimme A Pound

Jay_mate_jay wrote: »

Similarly its pointless saying 'Just get rid' because quite simply its not an option

Then you will have difficulty finding accommodation.

Interesting too the way people simply pointing out this indisputable fact = cruel to dogs.

Could friends or family take him?

The Enbalmer

Jay_mate_jay wrote: »

Similarly its pointless saying 'Just get rid' because quite simply its not an option

Why isn't it?

It's only a dog. Would you prefer to be homeless?

Jay_mate_jay

Julissa Unimportant Caricature wrote: »

When they have to resort to insults or telling people what way they feel about their pet, you know who's the more reasonable objective person.

And if they're on their own it's very easy to say they'd sleep on a park bench rather than give up their dog, but if they'd a family?

No point in saying "don't get a dog" to people who have a dog already either.

Similarly its pointless saying 'Just get rid' because quite simply its not an option

Gimme A Pound

SteM wrote: »

No you're right, I don't love my dog :rolleyes:

When they have to resort to insults or telling people what way they feel about their pet, you know who's the more reasonable objective person.

And if they're on their own it's very easy to say they'd sleep on a park bench rather than give up their dog, but if they'd a family?

No point in saying "don't get a dog" to people who have a dog already either.

Moonjet

The rental market is beyond repair at this stage.
Would you consider purchasing a property as an alternative?

Cuddlesworth

Jay_mate_jay wrote: »

Im genuinely astounded by the negativity surrounding pets and children renting, how are any family's meant to stand a chsnce?

Having moved from England where this is not even an issue as long as you can prove you can pay your way and that you won't trash the gaff, I begin to see where the issues lie in the rental crisis.

We are lucky at the moment that we are living with family so we can bide our time a little but I'm shocked at so much of a negative response, even more so at the people who thinks it's okay to just dispose of a dog that's been a member of the family longer than my child has! Therefore love has no bounds for both my child and dog

In 2008-2012 you would have walked into a house without a issue.

Currently there are a large number of people who want to rent and a small number of property's. Meaning landlords can afford to be picky.

And renting is easier in England. Its not as stressed(outside of London) and the tenants there don't hold the same risk they do here, due to the eviction process there actually working.

handlemaster

Jay_mate_jay wrote: »

I was wondering what tips or if anyone had any recommendations they could lend please

We are a very respectable family with good jobs and a very well behaved dog trying to move into a rental home in the Swords area in Dublin but nothing seems to be aligning.

Would anyone be able to help please!

simple get rid of the dog , no LL wants a dog in their property, unless the property is already rough.

been there with a tenant who had a dog. **** everywhere on the yard , garden etc . It was me who paid to get it cleaned.

Gimme A Pound

Hoboo wrote: »

Then don't get a dog. It's not a disposable commodity to bin as you see fit. It's part of the family.

People are not saying anything bad about dogs whatsoever - most people love dogs. The language you and that other one are using absolutely is loony. They are simply stating what the reality is in an horrendous rental market. Of course nobody wants it to come to that but it may have to be the case and would be horrible and hopefully wouldn't come to it, but mentioning it is not the same as agreeing with it. And comparing a child with a dog is dishonest at best.

Jay_mate_jay wrote: »

Im genuinely astounded by the negativity surrounding pets and children renting, how are any family's meant to stand a chsnce?

What do you want? The truth or lies?

I really hope you find somewhere that takes your dog (no doubt we all do) and people have mentioned examples of a dog being allowed (no doubt this was before the crisis though) but considering the competition you're up against. The crisis isn't *because of* property owners/agencies refusing to rent to those with children/pets, refusal to rent to those with children or pets is because of the crisis.

Kennels would of course be the worst resort if you have no joy. Could he stay with family?

And nobody said it's "ok" to "dispose of" a dog. You and others are determined to be hysterical and read it that way but all people are doing is highlighting the unfortunate reality of the situation - it's not something people like.

[Deleted User]

Jay_mate_jay wrote: »

Sorry I mustn't have seen, I do apologise!

He is a rough collie kind of average collie size.. He is taken on at least hour long walks a day and has a kennel outside but currently has the choice to be outside or inside as my partber or me are always home

Unfortunately I couldn't as we don't drive and work in swords/santry

thanks for that.
I don't agree with the negative comments here.
I have a lovely house with an enclosed garden. I am thinking to going to Canada for at least 6 months to stay with my daughter who is due her first baby soon. I will be letting my house for that period.

As a previous dog owner I would prefer to let my house to someone with dogs rather than kids. Especially if the dog is trained and looked after. I used to keep my own dog in the house once I was there, and out in the garden if I wasn't. I agree that not all dog owners are good owners or have good dogs but the blanket negativity is depressing. The UK is a far more dog friendly country than Ireland and dogs are welcome in pubs, shops and rental accommodation.

Wishing you good luck in your search.

Gimme A Pound

airportgirl83 wrote: »

It's a very cruel thing to say imo You wouldn't think of giving your child away just because you can't find a new apt. I am being very realistic, I know it's not going to be easy to find a place with a dog but it is possible (as I mentioned two of my friends have dogs and are renting). Most people here are so negative, its so sad.

Landlords out there are charging huge amounts in rent for badly furnished, disgusting, mouldy, cold apartments, cop on - it is just a dog! Deposit should cover any damages (increase it if you are worried). Like someone said before children could do more damage to your property than a dog.

Anyone who tells him to give away his pet to a kennel has no heart. Hope someone will treat you like that one day - dispose, just because you are not convinient anymore.

She compares a dog with a child and then says she hopes someone disposes of me because I'm not convenient anymore (simply because I wrote a comment on the internet, and merely stated the reality of the situation). Actual lunacy. :pac:

OP, I didn't suggest putting your dog in a kennel and of course it would be the absolute worst case scenario and would be horrible (although it would be just a matter of finding a new home for them too) but your dog is a major factor in preventing you from finding accommodation. It isn't inconvenience - it's literally a matter of having somewhere to live or not.

Jay_mate_jay

Dav010 wrote: »

Unfortunately not.

What happens if the tenant leaves and refuses/can’t afford to pay? LL has to go to a solicitor/court.

I suppose so there.

Jay_mate_jay

Deleted User wrote: »

Hi OP

I asked the question yesterday: what kind of a dog is it? Big or small? Used to spending time out in the garden or not? Is he walked daily or left alone by himself?
Also would you not consider Drogheda, Laytown, Bettystown, Julianstown, Gormanston, all within 20 mins of Swords. I am from Swords originally and live in Drogheda now and there is no comparison. Its lovely up this way and nicer for dogs too!

if you give a bit more information the posters might actually give more constructive comments - less negativity.;)

Sorry I mustn't have seen, I do apologise!

He is a rough collie kind of average collie size.. He is taken on at least hour long walks a day and has a kennel outside but currently has the choice to be outside or inside as my partber or me are always home

Unfortunately I couldn't as we don't drive and work in swords/santry

[Deleted User]

Jay_mate_jay wrote: »

If the tenant has stipulated this, then there would be no case. This should give the LL confidence in the tenant?

Unfortunately not.

What happens if the tenant leaves and refuses/can’t afford to pay? LL has to go to a solicitor/court.

[Deleted User]

Jay_mate_jay wrote: »

I suppose the anti side of that is that my missus hates the dog hairs on the carpet so nearly follows the dog around with the vacuum haha!

I can see your point, its really irritating that one or two irresponsible owners have ruined your perception

Hi OP

I asked the question yesterday: what kind of a dog is it? Big or small? Used to spending time out in the garden or not? Is he walked daily or left alone by himself?
Also would you not consider Drogheda, Laytown, Bettystown, Julianstown, Gormanston, all within 20 mins of Swords. I am from Swords originally and live in Drogheda now and there is no comparison. Its lovely up this way and nicer for dogs too!

if you give a bit more information the posters might actually give more constructive comments - less negativity.;)

Jay_mate_jay

The Enbalmer wrote: »

I rented to people with dogs twice. Never again.

it was the same situation on both occasions. The smell of the dog was pronounced and obvious the minute you opened the door.
There was hair all over the carpeted areas even though I was told the dogs "don't shed".

from what the neighbours told me the dogs were left in the back garden from 8 am til 6pm yapping and howling constantly.

The grass was worn in patches in the garden and there was ****e everywhere..disgusting.

The smell took days to get out of the house when they had left and the feckin hairs were a nightmare to hoover up from all the places they had managed to work themselves into.

I would never rent to anybody with a dog again and my own personal opinion is this: Dogs are social animals and don't like being kept by themselves for long periods of time and nor should they be kept in people's houses or kept out the back garden for weeks on end. Dogs are absolutely not suitable pets for urban living.

I suppose the anti side of that is that my missus hates the dog hairs on the carpet so nearly follows the dog around with the vacuum haha!

I can see your point, its really irritating that one or two irresponsible owners have ruined your perception