end of the road wrote: » i don't believe rape is a good enough reason for abortion. irrelevant, it will either be a man or woman which is good enough.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Would you say that to your mother, sister, daughter?
An_Toirpin wrote: » Yes 100%. Go back a few generations and we are all descended from rapists.
end of the road wrote: » the trying to make out that pro-choice are all innocent little flowers has already been saw through. why you keep trying to engage in that tactic is a mystery. there were elements on both sides engaging in insults.
Igotadose wrote: » The mudslinging is still coming from the pro-forced birthing side (i.e., your side.) This will continue forever, lying, incitement, hatred, violence all part of the anti-human rights side's toolbox.
Spanish Eyes wrote: » It is here, it is legal. The people have spoken. In a few months nothing will be said about it again. It is a personal journey, no one else's. Just hope the exclusion zone legislation comes in soon.
end of the road wrote: » such tactics are coming from both sides. a small element of either but both sides are engaging in the same tactics. again, your attempt to paint your side as innocent little flowers with the other the big bad villens has been debunked, saw for what it is . pro-life are not anti-human rights, there is no human right to kill one's unborn child. the exclusion zone legislation isn't going to make any difference what so ever. those who believe in protesting outside clinics/hospitals or even gps will continue to do it regardless of the consiquences, as they do wherever else such exclusion zones exist.
splinter65 wrote: » You do realise that in the 46 years since Roe vs Wade that the protests and objections arguments have never ceased? And this is replicated all over the civilized world? One of the biggest rows in US politics last year was really to do with the appointment of a pro life Supreme Court Justice. There are pro and anti marches with thousands of participants on an almost monthly basis. You realise over 700000 people voted against abortion and they’re not going to go away?
eviltwin wrote: » I've no problem with people marching to voice their opposition to abortion or campaigns to restrict it. Freedom of speech is very important. I don't believe outside hospitals or GP surgeries are the places to do it. It's not about protest, it's about disrupting services and intimidating service users. The sooner we have exclusion zones the better.
end of the road wrote: » i believe it is, as a fundamental women's right is to be born, to grow and to exist and be part of society on an equal footing. abortion kills unborn women.
end of the road wrote: » no women's rights are being put behind anything by us by being anti-AOD.
end of the road wrote: » by being anti-AOD we are actually trying to promote women's rights as we believe unborn women have a right not to be killed so they can be born and live to their full potential and be part of society.
end of the road wrote: » AOD is only an allowence that can be taken away by a government with no real consiquence if such is needed. whatever about being anti-women, the humanist association are not very humanist given they are okay with unborn human beings being killed for absolutely any reason. i'm very prowd to be against AOD and to be for actual women's rights. suggesting that AOD is a woman's right is in my view an insult to the genuine struggles of women.
end of the road wrote: » protests outside hospitals by the odd couple of people are not going to be stopped by exclusion zones as such people are happy to go to jail or more for the cause.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » And the 49.999% of the population who voted no to divorce didn't go away either. They, or the vast majority of them, just stopped pursuing the issue in any active way.
end of the road wrote: » i don't believe rape is a good enough reason for abortion. .............
end of the road wrote: » the better for who? such zones won't ultimately make any difference to the service users given that such zones don't work. they are flouted on a full time basis wherever they do exist and are essentially flushing money down the toilet. protests outside hospitals by the odd couple of people are not going to be stopped by exclusion zones as such people are happy to go to jail or more for the cause.
volchitsa wrote: » And using a rubber johnny kills thousands of unconceived ones. Someone should think of those poor children, just waiting to be conceived!
volchitsa wrote: » So if the HSE had been granted the court order they were looking for, to physically restrain Ms Y rather than let her have an abortion, how exactly were they not removing any of her rights?
volchitsa wrote: » Are you in the habit of being tied down and force fed when you ask for a medical procedure?
volchitsa wrote: » Of course you can make almost the exact same claim against legal contraception: all those unconceived women have a right not to be killed when they're still only an X chromosome in their daddy's sperm!
splinter65 wrote: » https://twitter.com/scampwords/status/1016917004391886848?s=21 Is it not a bedrock of 4th wave feminism that all heterosexual intercourse is rape? Did not Tom Ford state during the week that all men should be “penetrated” at least once in their lives so they know what it’s like. Above find Sara supporting a movement currently gaining momentum that demands mandatory vasectomies for all straight men. They’re just not sure wether it should commence in high school or college...
ohnonotgmail wrote: » how is this rant in any way relevant?
Odhinn wrote: » Pick an outlier minority of liberal opinions vaguely related subject and throw them at you as if you have to answer for them before progessing any further in the discussion.
end of the road wrote: » once abortion is being thought about we are long long past that stage. a stage which very very very very few would even have an issue with. you can if you want but it's not relevant to abortion or to actual women's rights.
King Mob wrote: » Kinda is though. Cause if I remember right, you were asked to explain the difference between sperm and eggs and a fetus and when exactly the person starts. You provided no answer and ran away. You do that for every difficult question.
Odhinn wrote: » ...so not only does she have to deal with the rape and an unwanted pregnancy, but be forced to see out that pregnancy in what some would call a second rape.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » And i would be happy to see them in jail.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » Some time in mountjoy might diminish their desire for protest.
end of the road wrote: » i'm sure. i presume though it's only protesters you disagree with that you would be happy to see in jail.
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