alexmalalex wrote: » Bull****..we had a bust because some folks went mad borrowing... It had little to do with nurses salaries There were very few nurses flipping properties in trendy bars on a summer Friday afternoon
road_high wrote: » It was the public fiscal deficit that had us in trouble really. Primarily unaffordable public sector wages and welfare. It was the main reason we ran a €12 billion euro deficit in 2009 and everyone stopped lending to us. But yea, easier just blame the banks etc rather than look at ourselves as a nation
alexmalalex wrote: » Quite correct. Our public spending was unsustainable, and we do have to be careful. No argument there. But the argument that we can't afford to restore nurses pay is misleading and disingenuous. If we can afford to pay TDs and RTE presenters obscene salaries (the latter for doing almost no work of value), then we can afford to improve the standard of pay of our nurses. We also need to make it competitive, so we don't lose the best talent to other countries...we can't afford not to restore their pay.
Dia1988 wrote: » Yes like Primary teaching the cut off point is usually 470 and the intake is about 400 students. Therefore the average is in or around 530.
Dia1988 wrote: » There's 82,000 nurses available to work in Ireland, we can't pay them above and beyond especially when they are getting staged increases already. Their last increase was only last Octaber and it was April before that. If we give them this increase they'll continue to moan anyway , they'll want shorter work hours , 9 to 5 hrs even more pay. They're a bunch of typical women always moaning and wanting people's pity, it's what they do best!
alexmalalex wrote: » What is your gender as a matter of interest?
Dia1988 wrote: » I'm gender fluid!
alexmalalex wrote: » I'm not a nurse...but I have the greatest admiration for what they do, the hours that they work, and the conditions they work under... I think we can afford to restore their wages per Martina's post
gmisk wrote: » Yehhh I am sure...the only fluid involved is you taking the p#ss.
Dia1988 wrote: » Sorry, but your question asking what gender I am is irrelevant to this topic. What age are you?
thomasdylan wrote: » That's not how averages work. Your maths isn't great.
gmisk wrote: » I didn't ask you a question... You said something about nurses all being a load of woman sitting around moaning...you seem to still think we live in an era where there aren't males nurses. What the heck has my age got to do with anything?
Dia1988 wrote: » 88% of nurses in Ireland are women (NMBI 2017)
Glenbhoy wrote: » I would recommend that posters have a look at the report I mentioned earlier in the thread "nursing and midwifery - department of public expenditure and reform" I would link to it, but it's proving difficult from the phone! Google "dper report nursing" and it'll be there. The report provides the government with its information for negotiating and to my mind is the definitive info on salaries and conditions, I'd like to hear contrary opinions as to why it may be inaccurate. The report in general finds wages to be very competitive internationally, staff turnover low, number of nurses per capita high amongst other things.
Dia1988 wrote: » Okay so improve the conditions only then. Why are these nurses striking for more pay then when their own report shows they get paid over the average in the EU?
Dia1988 wrote: » The Mean according to the CAO is 530! The lowest points accepted were 470
Ninthlife wrote: » Sorry but this paid more than the average EU nurse is not a valid argument. The cost of living in Ireland is exceptionslly high so that has to be factored in. Cant expect an Irish nurse to earn that of a nurse in Hungary
Dia1988 wrote: » NEWS FLASH!!! There's an area in Ireland outside of Dublin that costs considerably less!
Ninthlife wrote: » And the cost of living us stil high. There is more to living than rent. You want nurses to commute to Crumlin from Roscommon?
alexmalalex wrote: » Oh so to add insult to injury...you want nurses to commute from the arsehole of Laois or Offaly to work their 12 hour shift in Dublin....
Dia1988 wrote: » No, they can work in Roscommon health centres and hospitals with radius.
Ninthlife wrote: » What area or profession do you work in?
