DOCARCH wrote: » I believe Irish are more informed/engaged.
prawnsambo wrote: » It is quite extraordinary how ill-informed people are. I saw a youngish labour supporter tweeting that they could just make everything in Britain and didn't need imports. It was so off the wall it was hard to respond to. You'd wonder how you can get through an education and come out the other side so ill-equipped for the world.
Nody wrote: » Highly doubtful; Brexiteers are unlikely to be swayed (as it goes against what they believe as "truth") and for the Remainers it contains nothing new. It's a good speech don't get me wrong but it's not going to be have a significant impact because it's said by the wrong person at the wrong time.
MrMusician18 wrote: » BonnieSituation wrote: » And some of us get criticised for having the temerity to say that English people are less engaged politically than Irish people? There are few people going to talk politics with a random stranger outside the context of an interview. When you look at equally controversial topics here like abortion, you'd only ever get a few bland sentences from the average Joe before the conversation would end. When you surround yourself with the politically engaged it gives the false impression that everyone is. Look at how many voted for Casey on the back of one remark.
BonnieSituation wrote: » And some of us get criticised for having the temerity to say that English people are less engaged politically than Irish people?
Tell me how wrote: » Do you think that the general Irish population is less or more informed on political matters than we perceive the UK population to be?
An Ciarraioch wrote: » We are at least better informed on UK politics than vice -versa.
Tell me how wrote: » There's no question about that. They are as educated on the Irish political system as we are about the Icelandic one.
lawred2 wrote: » Why would you expect them to be any more informed than their older country folk?
prawnsambo wrote: » Well I do know that they gave a Pirate party. I mean what's not to love about a political system that has one of those?
Russman wrote: » Well I would have expected that they’ve been more recently in the education system than their older folk and might be better informed as a result or at least more current. I would also (in very general terms) have expected them to be more involved in modern communications, social media etc etc and as a result be more exposed to the world and world views.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » I don't know if it's this. Ireland's media isn't dominated by a few oligarchs who have been spreading anti-EU propaganda for decades.
blanch152 wrote: » A huge proportion of the Irish population got suckered by the "we won't pay twice" populist anti-water charges brigade. Thankfully, they didn't fully succeed but it demonstrates that the Irish are just as vulnerable to an ill-informed populist rant as anyone else.
flutered wrote: » then look at how many have been on the recieving end of theose that one remark was about
MrMusician18 wrote: » Ok then. The Irish electorate has rejected European treaties twice in the last 20 years. Remind me for the reasons again.. oh yeah it was BS about abortion and neutrality. I don't know where this misplaced belief that we are above being manipulated has come from? Arrogance?
prawnsambo wrote: » Russman wrote: » I watched that C4 news segment and was shocked at how little they seemed to "get" what was coming down the line at them if/when they leave. There was one guy in particular going on and on about making their own trade deals with the world, and nobody picked him up on a) what the rest of the world might want to buy from Britain and b) why they would buy it when they can get it from the EU already. TBH I'm still struggling a little to believe they can be that misinformed/uninformed over there. Unless the dangers are, in fact, overstated by everyone else, which is unlikely - nobody has a reason to do that. It is quite extraordinary how ill-informed people are. I saw a youngish labour supporter tweeting that they could just make everything in Britain and didn't need imports. It was so off the wall it was hard to respond to. You'd wonder how you can get through an education and come out the other side so ill-equipped for the world.
Russman wrote: » I watched that C4 news segment and was shocked at how little they seemed to "get" what was coming down the line at them if/when they leave. There was one guy in particular going on and on about making their own trade deals with the world, and nobody picked him up on a) what the rest of the world might want to buy from Britain and b) why they would buy it when they can get it from the EU already. TBH I'm still struggling a little to believe they can be that misinformed/uninformed over there. Unless the dangers are, in fact, overstated by everyone else, which is unlikely - nobody has a reason to do that.
Imreoir2 wrote: » I think we are above being manipulated in the way the British have been, much as the British were above being manipulated in the way the Germans were in the 1930's. German Fascist propoganda worked in the German context, when Mosley tried to use the same tricks in Britain, they fell flat. Brexiteer propoganda works in the UK context, when the Irexit crowd tries the same guff here it does not stick. This does not mean that the Irish population is above being manipulated by propoganda, any population can be. It just would have to suit the Irish context, and the Brexit stuff is not a good fit with where we are and how we see ourselves.
WomanSkirtFan8 wrote: » i'd say we're much more well-educated and well-informed.
MrMusician18 wrote: » Irexit doesn't stick because it hasn't found a surface to stick to. The entire media is centre left and presents these people as a collection of loons and cranks. It just needs an issue to stick to and a credible media outlet to push it. We will then find that the Irish bull**** o meter isn't as good as many here think.
MrMusician18 wrote: » The entire media is centre left and presents these people as a collection of loons and cranks.
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Imreoir2 wrote: » I don't think it is quite so simple as that. Irexit has not found a surface to stick to because it is not compatible with the Irish context. In Britain it is a sicky ideology, in Ireland, it is not.
Enzokk wrote: » Couple of points, firstly if we are to say that Corbyn is very much a Brexiteer when he is not trying to stop Brexit but voted for it I would say the same is true of May. I believe she is as cynical as any politician out there and the same as Boris Johnson she thought the best avenue for her career was to back remaining in the EU and thus campaigned that way. Had she thought backing Leave would enhance her career she would have done so, if you look at her actions as PM and how she has tried to bend and sometimes break the rules to stay in power.
Roanmore wrote: » If the UK leave without any deal do they lose protection over their foodstuffs like Cornish Pasties, etc?
Anthracite wrote: » Even if it did, does anyone think that's going to hit them particularly hard? They don't really have valuable global brands like champagne.
