Tell me how wrote: » Red bolded part. But no one has countered the figure. Phil Ni Sheaghdha, secretary of the INMO didn't do so and therefore I assume it is true. If it is, what do you think? If you can point me to a reputable source showing that this average is not true then I will gladly read that. As for the black bolded part. I do not agree with that either but we cannot just pay money to one group which will have to be found every year, will lead to similar demands from other groups and without targetting the inefficiencies in the system to ensure they do not feel overworked and so must leave. Money will not make someone stay in a job if they truly hate it. Blue bolded part. Yes, such an opinion is not helpful to the discussion.
Crock Rock wrote: » Irish nurses are already massively overpaid. If they get it, teachers (who are also overpaid) will be next. Say no to benchmarking.
Dia1988 wrote: » Thank you for signing up to boards just to post that very controversial comment. Teachers aren't overpaid nurses are
Matt Barrett wrote: » It's an average. It it were an average of all 3 year nurses okay, an average of all six year career nurses, okay. If Denis O'Brien moved in next door to me my streets average income would sky rocket. I can only add MY opinion to the discussion. I don't believe the average Nurse gets 52K a year. If they do, for standard work week of under 40 hours, I think that's a great salary and anyone should be happy with it. As regards striking, they have every right and have my 100% support. Inferring they are being greedy is unfair. Likely it's about doing your job comfortably. Otherwise we'd all be doing whatever paid the most for a living. The power to suspend ones labour is all most of us have and I support that right similarly with the right to protest. When the game is rigged like ours, (see FF/FG) you have to have some recourse. It genuinely disgusts me to hear the likes of Leo, (where are you wheels?) talk about time off as a distraction. If only politicians did same regarding bailouts and AIB not having to pay tax on profits for 30 years or so. They don't appear in the paper stirring on them.
Crock Rock wrote: » €47,000 after 9 years service. 18 weeks annual leave. No performance reviews. No disciplinary action for under performance. Short working day. Go figure! Before anyone asks me why I amn't a teacher if it's so good my degree in physics and chemistry (Level 8 honours btw) isn't approved by the teaching council for some reason. BTW, everyone has a first post. What do you think a fist post should be? Who are you to decide?
Varta wrote: » I think you need to take that up with those public servants at that time, to be fair.
Dia1988 wrote: » 47k is not great these days, especially after tax! Have you a chip on your shoulder?
realitykeeper wrote: » No they don`t deserve a pay rise, they deserve a massive pay cut and half of them should be sacked. It would be a good idea to cut their pay first before sacking them to reduce the redundancy costs. Speaking of redundancy payments, what a rediculous notion! They got their weekly wages when they were working, whats with this lump sum giveaways of taxpayers money for nothing? One has to laugh at this suggestion the nurses are leaving the HSE. The HSE is too imcompetent to recruit and they don`t know how to run a health service, simple as that. Besides, in order to cut spending, we want the nurses to leave and if they go of their own volition, Great! No redundancy for them.
mariaalice wrote: » That is the big issue the counter claims from other public servants.
road_high wrote: » Lots of people on far less. With degrees and experience. I think you may have a distorted view of what is good or bad salary wise
backspin. wrote: » I think they are paid reasonably well as it is. There is a pay agreement in place at the moment anyway.
noodler wrote: » Wow. We are talking about an average amongst nurses though. A perfectly relevant average without a y millionaires in there.
Matt Barrett wrote: » Are we? I don't know that. Nurses are not public representatives. They are not answerable for anyones issues with the HSE.
chrissb8 wrote: » No they're really not. Ask any Irish nurse working in the NHS and you would realise how bad Irish nurses have it. Not just all about money, as these things rarely are. It's about getting paid the right amount for all the s**t they have to take. Which is alot in the case of nurses. High stress job, high emotionally toiling job, multiple thankless tasks going unnoticed. They deserve to be paid well. We all know this. We have all been in hospitals and have seen the work they put in and most if not all, always go that extra mile. In a world where if you sit on your todd in an office whiling the hours away downing tea, I think a nurse can be paid a comparable wage.
Varta wrote: » But it's good enough for nurses? Have you a chip on your shoulder?
Dia1988 wrote: » Here's a good description. In reality nurses are on Facebook.
hawkelady wrote: » Wouldn’t even entertain her as she comes across as a bitter and sour. Pityful really
Twenty Grand wrote: » Jeez you're bitter. Boring day in the guidance councillor office?
storker wrote: » That's where the government needs to show some cojones and treat each pay claim on its own merits rather than applying the unacceptable consequence fallacy. The correct answer to anyone wanting a pay rise "because the nurses got one" is "feel free to change careers then".
hawkelady wrote: » They are answerable if they make one mistake , can be sued and lose their career ... lots of responsibility on their shoulders every single minute they clock in
noodler wrote: » Why? Why one third of the PS and not the rest? Nurses have gotten multiple pay increases per year (including increments) since 2016 just like the rest of the PS. Getting more this year too.
road_high wrote: » They’re on track to bankrupt the country- after 2008 there was some scope to increase taxes as they had been relatively low up to that point. This time round it’s very different with the USC still sadled on workers and extra taxation elsewhere, very little scope exists if and when we hit a downturn. Then we are going to be in very dire straits, pulled under servicing unaffordable pay levels. The sad thing is no public “servants” appear to give a rats ass how, who what we are going to pay for all this with.
4ensic15 wrote: » This row is all about conditions. there are plenty of well qualified people who work for low pay such as librarians and college lecturers. They want to do the job and if the drop out there are numerous others to take their place. This is not happening in the medical professions in Ireland. Working in overcrowded and understaffed conditions is demoralising to the point people are leaving the country to do the same jobs in better conditions and in many cases for more money. It matters not a damn how broke the country is if we want a health service we have to pay for it.
Tell me how wrote: » If the row is about conditions, they should be striking about conditions. Getting better paid and leaving everything the same is masking the problem.
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