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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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questionmark?

snotboogie wrote: »

First crane up at Horgans Quay, two more to follow allegedly

Positive news that construction is actually going ahead and not stopping after site clearance. HQ will really transform that part of the city.

snotboogie

questionmark? wrote: »

Positive news that construction is actually going ahead and not stopping after site clearance. HQ will really transform that part of the city.

Yep and if the Twitter rumours are to be believed there will be two more to follow shortly which indicates that the offices will be constructed alongside the Hotel, which is great news. Penrose Dock are doing the whole construction in one phase too so we should see up to 5 cranes in the North Docks over the next few months

WhoElse

snotboogie wrote: »

I stand over it Merchants Quay, specifically the side facing the Lee, is the ugliest building in Cork.

Merchant's quay is squat, brick, featureless, looks kideous when entering the city from the east, ruins the look along the river, and replaced buildings with some character.
My bias here is that my my grandfather's bar was there, and under the scope of necessary road widening, property owners were made clear they would get an offer, then any refusal would result in reduced offers. The quays weren't so nice back then, many of the premises were unused and unloved, so everyone accepted the arm-twisting and sold out. Consequently our docks have a red lego lump where we used to have real building fronts. A rebuild could only improve it at this point, and could boost the pull back from suburban shopping.

EdgeCase

A new building that was more in keeping with the quays is all that's needed. You can't really put the old stuff back but you could put in a stunning modern piece there that would be really transformative, if done right.

opus

Took my first stroll over the new bridge at UCC at lunchtime.

EdgeCase

I don't think that UCC bridge will age well. It's surprisingly industrial / utilitarian looking for that location.

Padraig Mor

WhoElse wrote: »

Merchant's quay ...... replaced buildings with some character.
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While the shopping centre may not exactly be lovely, the old quay (which I remember well) was a kip!

Apogee

marno21 wrote: »

2 housing developments gone into ABP this week:

251 residential units at Cooney's Lane, Grange
240 (154 houses/86 apartments) residential units at Ardarostig, Bishopstown

http://www.pleanala.ie/lists/2018/new/NewCasesWeekending30-11-2018.pdf

Irish Times wrote:

Developer Ardstone is seeking permission to build 240 homes in Co Cork at a cost of more than €50 million through the fast-track planning system.Ardstone is building and selling houses on sites around the Republic. It is poised to launch various phases of developments in Dublin, Galway, Kildare and Wicklow on the market shortly.The company recently sought permission from An Bord Plean to build 240 homes – 154 houses and 86 apartments – at Ardarostig, Bishopstown on the southwestern edge of Cork city.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/construction/ardstone-seeking-to-build-240-homes-near-cork-city-costing-over-50-million-1.3751788

marno21

Article from de echo about the Parnell Place hotel appeal:

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Parnell-Place-hotel-delayed-following-planning-appeal-85c4885d-2c3b-4183-a34d-726700850cab-ds

questionmark?

marno21 wrote: »

Article from de echo about the Parnell Place hotel appeal:

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Parnell-Place-hotel-delayed-following-planning-appeal-85c4885d-2c3b-4183-a34d-726700850cab-ds

Wonder would the residents sell up? Knock the lot and scale up that part of the city!

[Deleted User]

Anyone know what's happening in Watergrasshill?

SleetAndSnow

marno21 wrote: »

Article from de echo about the Parnell Place hotel appeal:

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Parnell-Place-hotel-delayed-following-planning-appeal-85c4885d-2c3b-4183-a34d-726700850cab-ds

More three story blocks requested to stick with ancient Georgian red brick buildings yay.

Att vara en hest

opus wrote: »

Took my first stroll over the new bridge at UCC at lunchtime.

This bridge is absolutely hideous... What were they even thinking!?

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Att vara en hest wrote: »

This bridge is absolutely hideous... What were they even thinking!?

Was jogging past it the other night and it's atrocious

EdgeCase

What's with the industrial fencing on one side of it?!

Surprising as what's been done, certainly since the 1990s in UCC has been very in keeping with the campus.

thomil

Att vara en hest wrote: »

This bridge is absolutely hideous... What were they even thinking!?

They're probably hoping that, in time, people will just get over it.

Seriously though, that bridge is just a huge missed opportunity for a really eye-catching design, something to complement the nearby Glucksman Gallery. Instead, we got this.

whisky_galore

Deleted User wrote: »

Was jogging past it the other night and it's atrocious

I suppose we will be told it was designed by some highfalutin architect with a whole load of letters after their name even if it's as ugly as a mule's butt.

Padraig Mor

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Was jogging past it the other night and it's atrocious

Went over it a couple of weeks ago. Ugly yoke. Also almost completely redundant as far as I can see - it doesn't open up any 'new' routes for pedestrians that I can make out - they have to walk past existing entrances to get to it.

[Deleted User]

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Went over it a couple of weeks ago. Ugly yoke. Also almost completely redundant as far as I can see - it doesn't open up any 'new' routes for pedestrians that I can make out - they have to walk past existing entrances to get to it.

Isn't there a bus stop there?

But yeah, it does not even link directly to the art gallery does it?

TheChizler

Deleted User wrote: »

But yeah, it does not even link directly to the art gallery does it?

The path runs by the steps of The Glucksman if that's what you mean.

[Deleted User]

TheChizler wrote: »

The path runs by the steps of The Glucksman if that's what you mean.

Yeah I didn't think that it connected. So it that the only use for this bridge?

TheChizler

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah I didn't think that it connected. So it that the only use for this bridge?

It gives access to Perrott's Inch from the main grounds, previously you had to go via Western Road and have a key to get in. Maybe they're hoping to get more use out of that area?

Padraig Mor

Deleted User wrote: »

Isn't there a bus stop there?
?

Yeah, there's that I suppose - that stop isn't used much. Having said that, the previous stop is at the main pedestrian entrance anyway.

TheChizler wrote: »

The path runs by the steps of The Glucksman if that's what you mean.

Bridge connects to the (already there) path on the lower grounds, up a bit from the gallery.

TheChizler wrote: »

It gives access to Perrott's Inch from the main grounds, previously you had to go via Western Road and have a key to get in. Maybe they're hoping to get more use out of that area?

Seems to have a path leading to the carpark there - but it just duplicates the existing route via the archway (currently close, but re-opening at some stage).

deRanged

TheChizler wrote: »

It gives access to Perrott's Inch from the main grounds, previously you had to go via Western Road and have a key to get in. Maybe they're hoping to get more use out of that area?

I've heard talk of making a chill out area for students there. You'd see clubs using it occasionally, archery and the like.

I don't really see the point of the bridge, but maybe it's part of an overall strategy.

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deRanged wrote: »

I've heard talk of making a chill out area for students there. You'd see clubs using it occasionally, archery and the like.

I don't really see the point of the bridge, but maybe it's part of an overall strategy.

Or they had an under spend on capital build projects and needed to use up a budget quickly

Padraig Mor

Deleted User wrote: »

Or they had an under spend on capital build projects and needed to use up a budget quickly

Story I heard is that they got money from 'somewhere' but it could only be spent on facilities for students (for some reason) - the chose a bridge. I have no idea if that is partially, or at all, correct.

marno21

opus wrote: »

10-storey apartment block planned for Victoria Road

Approved.

http://planning.corkcity.ie/AppFileRefDetails/1838012/0

questionmark?

marno21 wrote: »

Approved.

http://planning.corkcity.ie/AppFileRefDetails/1838012/0

10 stories? I expect an appeal.

snotboogie

questionmark? wrote: »

10 stories? I expect an appeal.

Very few objections and those that did were not against the development or height. Very little publicity too, I think that it has a chance

EdgeCase

questionmark? wrote: »

10 stories? I expect an appeal.

It's not Dublin. They get vertigo if they even contemplate anything over about 6 floors up there.