Seth Brundle wrote: » How?
kunst nugget wrote: » A lot of people were swayed to a no vote over unfounded fears of conscription to a EU army and a loss of control over our abortion laws.
Bit cynical wrote: » Because the previous referendum the UK voted to leave the EU and the specified mechanism for that is Article 50 which has a period of two years negotiation. When that is up, the UK leaves according to the outcome of the first referendum. The UK government can't extend article 50 without violating the first referendum unless they call a second one.
prawnsambo wrote: » I'm pretty sure it was mostly an anti-government vote. Not sure there were any credible claims about conscription or abortion.
When voters were directly asked about specific issues, which had featured strongly in the referendum, 82% of ‘no’ voters (compared to 71% of ‘yes’ voters) said military neutrality was important / very important in determining how they voted; 71% of ‘no’ voters said the loss of a commissioner was important and 86% of ‘no’ voters cited ‘workers’ rights’. Though of less concern than these issues, voters with a conservative religious position on abortion expressed concerns, that the EU Court of Justice could interpret abortion as a fundamental right – over-riding Ireland’s de facto legal prohibition on abortion and one conservative pro-business group Libertas, argued that Lisbon gave the EU the potential authority to require Ireland to raise its low level of corporation tax. The issue of conscription, though hardly featuring during the campaign itself, apart from on the websites and leaflets of groups quite marginal to the campaign, was highlighted in the research report, as 48% of ‘no’ voters and remarkably 26% of ‘yes’ voters said the ‘introduction of conscription to a European army’ was ‘included’ in the treaty.
J Mysterio wrote: » Well Jesus Christ. Here's an article on what an Ciarraioch reported earlier.Brexit: Theresa May offers Conservative rebels fresh compromise likely to anger EU Parliament will be given chance to vote against UK entering backstop, even if legally binding Brexit deal says it must Unbelievable, WTF. Cloud Cuckoo Land. This isnt a compromise. May is offering what is not in her gift. This is totally ridiculous. They must want to crash out at this stage.
Scoondal wrote: » Ridiculous. UK citizens voted to leave EU. Full stop. Nothing to do with this rubbish. UK will leave EU because ordinary people voted for this. Why do Irish people not accept the democratic decision of UK citizens ? I am really struggling to understand Irish people wanting UK to stay within EU. Out means out. Is that simple enough ?
Scoondal wrote: » This is a Brexit thread.
kunst nugget wrote: » We were talking about the original Lisbon Treaty referendum. I was trying to get across the point that maybe we, the Irish, aren't an awful lot more nuanced than the UK when it comes to how we vote or how we can be manipulated into voting a certain way. But then I read a post like that...
prawnsambo wrote: » Yeah. You'd wonder why brexiters keep bringing it up.
Scoondal wrote: » Ridiculous. UK citizens voted to leave EU.... Out means out. Is that simple enough ?
Scoondal wrote: » They can do what they want. But the citizens haved already voted. Out out out.
Thargor wrote: » The EU will never accept that in a million years and it completely violates what TM agreed with them but that is the UKs position now, WTF are they doing? This is crazy...https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1083031865735430146
Scoondal wrote: » This is a Brexit Thread.
kunst nugget wrote: » And I was relating Brexit and how people voted in the UK to how we voted here in relation to the first Lisbon treaty. This being an Irish forum and all, generally populated by Irish people. It's not really my fault if you are incapable of understanding the point being made.
Capt'n Midnight wrote: » *yawn* And then they voted again and May lost her majority. Because Democracy. Only 19% support her deal, that's hardly the will of the people now is it ? Even if she gets her deal past Westminster there's still the problem of getting the new changes past the EU without offering something.
Christy42 wrote: » Have they lost all reason? You can't make amendments to an agreement without both parties involvement. This is idiotic if it is isn't a wind up. I mean it has to be a wind up right?
prawnsambo wrote: » It's either smoke and mirrors to get the vote through or it's a genuine belief that they can make amendments after the fact and hope nobody makes a fuss. There's no chance of the latter so it has to be the former.
Scoondal wrote: » You do not realise that in The Republic of Ireland people have numerous referenda every year. In UK a referendum for the people is rare. So when it happens, the result is very important. UK and ROI are constitutionally different. Again, in a rare public vote in UK ... they voted to leave EU. UK citizens are normal people.
