SMRT wrote: » Happy to delete if this is not appropriate. Don't be on Boards often and this seemed a reasonable place for a sanity check before I bite the bullet. From and live in the Republic in a border County. Have been working in the North for 11 years but now have the chance of getting a similar job in the Republic for a slight increase in pay and slightly closer to home. Happy in my current role and company but with Brexit it's a no brainer to ditch the likely sinking sterling and come back to the Euro. Right? My guts saying leave the North if possible but the uncertainty of everything is the killer for me. It's a fairly niche IT role so feel this opportunity won't come up again any time soon.
Enzokk wrote: » Is there a set time limit that the UK has to wait before they can change their minds on the EU after the referendum? I only ask because the previous referendum on the EU was an overwhelming majority it was 41 before the next referendum. So if a 67% to 33% results in a 41 year wait, how long does a 52% to 48% result mean we have to wait? Also, seems that 17.4m people voted to leave the EU out of a population of 65.6m and 46.5m registered voters and this means you go and don't look back at all. But what does 17.3m people voting to join the EEC out of a population 56.2m and 40m registered voters mean? I don't think those numbers mean anything, it has just been bugging me when it is mentioned that 17.4m people voted to leave the EU as if it is some magical number.
hill16bhoy wrote: » Ireland only holds referendums on constitutional matters and the questions and options are always clearly defined. We don't hold numerous referenda each year. 2018 is an unusual one in that we have had multiple ones but that is by no means the norm. We've never held a non-constitutional referendum. Britain does not have a written constitution and has a system of parliamentary sovereignty - it's parliament that makes the decisions, not the people. That has always been the way. British referendums hold no legal weight. They can only be advisory. But Margaret Thatcher, much as I loathe her overall contribution to British politics, specifically realised the danger referendums could cause there, because they presented the prospect of a hostile, rival decision making system to parliament. This wasn't borne out until the 2016 referendum. The running of the referendum was shambolic, completely the opposite to what happens in Ireland where we are well practiced at running referendums. Disinformation was allowed to completely distort the campaign. Most importantly, one of the options was completely undefined - the Leave option was basically "talking unicorns". The Leave option - what people thought they were voting for, whatever it was, was undeliverable and has proved to be so. Most people who voted Leave were voting for the following: all the benefits of being in the European Union, none of the responsibilities , and a seamless transition to this brave new era of cake. Cake, cake and more cake. "Because we're Great Britain". It was about as deliverable as a referendum which voted to abolish all taxes and simultaneously quadruple public spending. Now, British politics is entrapped in a land of make believe, where they're negotiating with themselves over things which would completely rip up the deal which nobody is happy with, but which the government specifically signed off on. They don't know what they want, but by George they're going to get it, or something. Britain is becoming a rogue state which nobody takes seriously.
Scoondal wrote: » You do not realise that in The Republic of Ireland people have numerous referenda every year. In UK a referendum for the people is rare. So when it happens, the result is very important. UK and ROI are constitutionally different. Again, in a rare public vote in UK ... they voted to leave EU. UK citizens are normal people.
Strazdas wrote: » The former I would say : May is duplicitous and tells lies at the drop of a hat.
prawnsambo wrote: » It's either smoke and mirrors to get the vote through or it's a genuine belief that they can make amendments after the fact and hope nobody makes a fuss. There's no chance of the latter so it has to be the former.
Christy42 wrote: » Have they lost all reason? You can't make amendments to an agreement without both parties involvement. This is idiotic if it is isn't a wind up. I mean it has to be a wind up right?
Capt'n Midnight wrote: » *yawn* And then they voted again and May lost her majority. Because Democracy. Only 19% support her deal, that's hardly the will of the people now is it ? Even if she gets her deal past Westminster there's still the problem of getting the new changes past the EU without offering something.
Thargor wrote: » The EU will never accept that in a million years and it completely violates what TM agreed with them but that is the UKs position now, WTF are they doing? This is crazy...https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1083031865735430146
kunst nugget wrote: » And I was relating Brexit and how people voted in the UK to how we voted here in relation to the first Lisbon treaty. This being an Irish forum and all, generally populated by Irish people. It's not really my fault if you are incapable of understanding the point being made.
Scoondal wrote: » They can do what they want. But the citizens haved already voted. Out out out.
Scoondal wrote: » This is a Brexit Thread.
Scoondal wrote: » Ridiculous. UK citizens voted to leave EU.... Out means out. Is that simple enough ?
Scoondal wrote: » Ridiculous. UK citizens voted to leave EU. Full stop. Nothing to do with this rubbish. UK will leave EU because ordinary people voted for this. Why do Irish people not accept the democratic decision of UK citizens ? I am really struggling to understand Irish people wanting UK to stay within EU. Out means out. Is that simple enough ?
prawnsambo wrote: » Yeah. You'd wonder why brexiters keep bringing it up.
kunst nugget wrote: » We were talking about the original Lisbon Treaty referendum. I was trying to get across the point that maybe we, the Irish, aren't an awful lot more nuanced than the UK when it comes to how we vote or how we can be manipulated into voting a certain way. But then I read a post like that...
Scoondal wrote: » This is a Brexit thread.
