Brexit Discussion Thread VI

lawred2 wrote: »

That doesn't make any sense

No, it's obvious horsesh!t that a child would see through. How odd.

lawred2

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I want a free trade area, I absolutely despise the union with every fabric of my being. Why can't it just be a free trade group of 28 countries with standards agreed. Free to make their own independent deals and act independently.

That doesn't make any sense

fash wrote: »

The EU is perfectly happy to trade with the UK on whatever plan the UK wants:
You can have the Bugatti Veyron for a million, the Ferrari for €500k, the Mercedes for €100k, the SUV for €50k, the VW Golf for €20k, the Lads for €10k, the second hand car for €5k, the bike for €1k - or you can walk. Each one of those options can be tweaked up or down, stripped of features or come with all the trimmings and upgrades. What you can't have is the Bugatti Veyron for 2 buttons and some belly button fluff.

Ireland however (which has a veto on any trade agreement) is unhappy about the UK f*cking Ireland over yet again - why do you hate Ireland so much?

Ireland should have been putting pressure on the EU to cut the UK some deal as we depend on the UK so much. Doubling down against our biggest partner to side with the EU is a move that the history books will record as ill-advised i suspect.

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

That is pretty much straight out of page 12 of the Russian Trolling handbook

Here is a good description of some of these tactics which by now are rather obvious, especially to those of us who were on Internet from early days
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2018/625123/EPRS_BRI(2018)625123_EN.pdf

It's interesting that Irish people have proved fairly resistant to these tactics, yet still they try.

Christy42

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Anthracite wrote: »

Gibberish.

You post such bilge here, it's as if you want to destroy the discussion.

I want a free trade area, I absolutely despise the union with every fabric of my being. Why can't it just be a free trade group of 28 countries with standards agreed. Free to make their own independent deals and act independently.

Because if the UK trades freely with India and the EU it then means that goods can travel freely from India to the EU and vice versa. So it is not independent. It means as soon as someone makes a deal someone else does not agree with then the entire thing collapses resulting in no free trade again.
Also those standards would have to be a part of every trade deal a country signs (as they could be transferred between EU nations easily and, as you say, standards have been agreed). The standards thing is also rule making in Brussels which a large proportion of Brexiteers seem to be against so would not solve the current issue.

At that point if a third party is going with the EU standards they are going to want a deal with the entire EU anyway so may as well do it in one.

hotmail.com wrote: »

Delaying the leave date is the only logical thing to do at this stage. The referendum didn't specify leave the date so I'm sure the British can request a delay.

The people voted to leave. May claims the deal she has is the best she could get so the only option was to present it to parliament and see if it passes, failing that she can renegotiate right up until March but the date cannot be allowed to be moved. The vote must be respected, two years is long enough if both parties acted in good faith.

fash

cryptocurrency wrote: »

If the EU was all for free trade then they'd be happy to just trade with the UK without any hassle. The EU actually hates competition, loves taxation and hates freedom.

The EU is perfectly happy to trade with the UK on whatever plan the UK wants:
You can have the Bugatti Veyron for a million, the Ferrari for €500k, the Mercedes for €100k, the SUV for €50k, the VW Golf for €20k, the Lads for €10k, the second hand car for €5k, the bike for €1k - or you can walk. Each one of those options can be tweaked up or down, stripped of features or come with all the trimmings and upgrades. What you can't have is the Bugatti Veyron for 2 buttons and some belly button fluff.

Ireland however (which has a veto on any trade agreement) is unhappy about the UK f*cking Ireland over yet again - why do you hate Ireland so much?

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I want a free trade area, I absolutely despise the union with every fabric of my being. Why can't it just be a free trade group of 28 countries with standards agreed. Free to make their own independent deals and act independently.

Pretty extreme a considering you were neutral until quite recently. Have you been to the tropics lately, you coulda picked up a parasite.

prawnsambo

CelticRambler wrote: »

No-one this evening has picked up on Sky's report that the UK Govt awarded £75m's worth of contracts on the Q-T to a bunch of consultancy firms. No public tendering, no published terms of reference, and no answer from the government when asked who exactly sanctionned the expense.

Good job nobody in the Leave camp has any problem with faceless bureaucrats doing stuff in secret. :rolleyes:

(report on Sky News at about 20:15)

And due to the wonders of the internet, somebody has put it all in a spreadsheet and shared it on Google docs.

hotmail.com

Delaying the leave date is the only logical thing to do at this stage. The referendum didn't specify leave the date so I'm sure the British can request a delay.

Anthracite wrote: »

Gibberish.

You post such bilge here, it's as if you want to destroy the discussion.

I want a free trade area, I absolutely despise the union with every fabric of my being. Why can't it just be a free trade group of 28 countries with standards agreed. Free to make their own independent deals and act independently.

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Why? do you have a problem with united states too?

Obviously. They tax people, there are loads of laws there, they hate free trade (especially Trump with his tarriffs).

Otherwise he would be exposed as an idiotic troll just trying to debase this thread.

prawnsambo

Anthracite wrote: »

Gibberish.

You post such bilge here, it's as if you want to destroy the discussion.

There is a cure for this. And I'm availing of it now because this crap is derailing the thread and adding nothing.

Christy42

cryptocurrency wrote: »

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Uhm the UK was trading with all other EU countries as freely as Texas trading with rest of US

Texas is to the US what Cornwall is to the UK. The fact you think the UK can be Texas to the EU's United States is the very reason it needs to break up.

The point was that they were trading freely with the EU. It was Brexit that is taking away a portion of the free market. It is Brexit bringing in import taxes.

No one said that the UK can be to the EU what Texas is to the US. They said they were trading like it which seems to be what you want. To say anything else is a gross misrepresentation of the post.

CelticRambler

No-one this evening has picked up on Sky's report that the UK Govt awarded £75m's worth of contracts on the Q-T to a bunch of consultancy firms. No public tendering, no published terms of reference, and no answer from the government when asked who exactly sanctionned the expense.

Good job nobody in the Leave camp has any problem with faceless bureaucrats doing stuff in secret. :rolleyes:

(report on Sky News at about 20:15)

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Why? do you have a problem with United states too?

The fact you are trying to compare them is scary. The US is a country, they all believe in it and they sure as hell won't vote to break it up. The EU is a prison, where opinions are crushed.

cryptocurrency wrote: »

If the EU was all for free trade then they'd be happy to just trade with the UK without any hassle. The EU actually hates competition, loves taxation and hates freedom.

Gibberish.

You post such bilge here, it's as if you want to destroy the discussion.

fly_agaric

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I hate the EU because I am into free markets and freedom. I see brexit as the ultimate litmus test of push back against the EU and would be extremely disappointed if it fails, it means everything to all free-willed people.

Well we all suffer disappointments in life I suppose.

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I think Trump is a fool but he is a product of a disconnected political class and media, they created him.

True. They helped anyway.

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I get amused by the outrage he causes of the slightest thing and sees the masses being played like fiddles and performing their outrage when instructed...yet think they think independently.
The NPC meme summed this up and maybe the greatest meme of all time.

The greatest "meme" of all time...?! a low bar.
From what I saw of it (vicariously on the US bits of the internet) it was very self unaware.
People re-posting + copy-pasting a meme (a limited selection of very simple images and stock phrases) in their own echo chambers about the silly "NPC" people who are criticising their hero. Kind of like a bunch of brainwashed robots! You could probably make a program to do it automatically (edit: nefarious people probably have!).

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I wish nothing but the best for Ireland but I tend to look at bigger pictures and longer views.

Well I'd say Ireland (and the people who live in it) have not been as free for several centuries, partly thanks to our EEC/EC/EU membership. If you were Irish you'd be able to take a longish view backwards instead of forwards (history + the evils of the past gets drummed into us here). Anyway don't know why I'm wasting my time with this.

Hurrache wrote: »

Hates competition so much they have a massive list of products from countries outside the EU they don't apply tariffs to.

You really are clueless as to what you think you know.

The list, carefully put together with protectionism in mind.

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Uhm the UK was trading with all other EU countries as freely as Texas trading with rest of US

Texas is to the US what Cornwall is to the UK. The fact you think the UK can be Texas to the EU's United States is the very reason it needs to break up.

Hates competition so much they have a massive list of products from countries outside the EU they don't apply tariffs to.

You really are clueless as to what you think you know.

Anthracite wrote: »

Oddly enough most people think Hitler was a bad guy too. I guess that reflects their lack of original thinking, eh?

And you like free markets, so you prefer 27 different markets all siloed with different rules and obstacles to trade, rather than one market with the same rules. That's certainly original, I'll give you that.

If the EU was all for free trade then they'd be happy to just trade with the UK without any hassle. The EU actually hates competition, loves taxation and hates freedom.

fash

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I hate the EU because I am into free markets and freedom.

The EU created a massive free market- the single market and was responsible for such things as the international growth of Aldi, Lidl, Ryanair, no roaming charges, getting rid of passport controls and granting freedoms of movement, of capital and of establishment to a very large group of people.
It also has the most number of trade agreements of any entity in history.

Why do you hate free markets and freedom so much so much if you are libertarian? Are you sure you are a libertarian?

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The NPC meme summed this up and maybe the greatest meme of all time.

Oddly enough most people think Hitler was a bad guy too. I guess that reflects their lack of original thinking, eh?

And you like free markets, so you prefer 27 different markets all siloed with different rules and obstacles to trade, rather than one market with the same rules. That's certainly original, I'll give you that.

You don't even know what I'm referring to because you post so much stuff you can't stand behind.

Hurrache wrote: »

Oh look everyone, another contradictory post from this guy, in fact contradicting stuff he only posted minutes ago.

I said I liked his stroke on the EU, I never said I thought he was great. I have enjoyed some of his moves.

Oh look everyone, another contradictory post from this guy, in fact contradicting stuff he only posted minutes ago.