Tell me how wrote: » Yeah but every nurse is not working in A&E. In any walk of life and in any and every job there are going to be some who take it easy. My father spent time in hospital last year and he told me that on Sunday one of the nurses on the ward used to disappear to watch the GAA matches. She left the 12 bed ward to a single nurse and dropped back for a walkthrough between the games The second nurse deserves to be well paid, the first, not so much.
mariaalice wrote: » If only people only got sick 9 to 5 it just dose not work the way you think.
Tell me how wrote: » Is it not the case that Irish Nurses are amongst some of the best paid in Europe?
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » We have more nurses per capita than most countries.
Twenty Grand wrote: » And as I said in previous post: Are the conditions the same? Is the cost of living the same? Is the euro per hour worked the same? Is the role and responsibility and the same? How do the wages average over the working life or a nurse? There's no point saying "they're the best paid" when every contributing factor that determines pay is different.
Twenty Grand wrote: » Good on you dad. We should base our entire health system on his Sunday afternoon observation :rolleyes:
Tell me how wrote: » So do you think conditions in Irish hospitals are significantly worse than most of Europe? Do you think the cost of living in Ireland is greater than the UK and France for example? Do you think the role and responsibility of Irish nurses is greater than those in the UK? I'm not sure what point you are making in terms of the working life of a nurse.
Tell me how wrote: » Well, I see how you want to take part in a discussion. Thanks for playing.
Twenty Grand wrote: » Yes to all of those. I call it like I see it. Maybe the nurse watching the match was on her fifth 13 hour shift that week and a bit of time of her feet was needed to keep her sane. If you want my anecdote; one of the lads is a guard, he pulled 3 drivers over around 10am one morning, all driving like they were drunk. All were nurses, coming off shift and so tired they couldn't drive straight. It's a mad system where you sacrifice your own health to keep others healthy.
tonycascarino wrote: » To answer the OP, yes, I think nurses will get their payrise, they always do. Next after that will be teachers & the gardaí.
hawkelady wrote: » Not the guards. They just threatened to go on strike a few months ago and pascal found 300 mil down the back of the couch ! So the guards won’t strike
Rubberchikken wrote: » whats with the adoration for nurses? they do a job. they dont perform miracles. yes they deserve a fair pay but so too does every othet worker. the elevation of nurses and teachers in this country is inexplicable.
Matt Barrett wrote: » Next time youse are 'genuinely' not 'faking it' in the A&E and can find a nurse not watching GAA matches or on holidays, tell her her job is only as important as that of a Librarian, who has regular office hours and seldom has to put anything bar books on trolleys. The blame game is completely f***ed in this country and tory Leo is a guru for it. It's about fairness and accountability not that any policy makers have to deal with such trivialities.
TheRiverman wrote: » Wanderer2010 wrote: » Why one earth would you want to be a nurse in this country? The odds are stacked against you from the off, between low wages, extremely high levels of stress and responsibility, working shifts and long hours. Internal politics and trying to contact the highers-up to make your case. It seems pure sadism to me- if you really want to do it and its your calling, head off to Dubai or even Britain where conditions are much better. I can safely say im earning at least twice the average nurse wage and I don't have a fraction of their stress. There are lots of jobs out there where you can clock in, do your job and not feel like a shell when you clock out. Seriously, its a mess in the nursing profession, find a new career. Finding a new career doesn't solve the problems for nurses staying within the HSE.It only solves the problem for the person(s) who leave or who decide not to go into nursing at all.Running away from this broken system is not going to fix it.We need our nurses happy and stress free at their job.
Wanderer2010 wrote: » Why one earth would you want to be a nurse in this country? The odds are stacked against you from the off, between low wages, extremely high levels of stress and responsibility, working shifts and long hours. Internal politics and trying to contact the highers-up to make your case. It seems pure sadism to me- if you really want to do it and its your calling, head off to Dubai or even Britain where conditions are much better. I can safely say im earning at least twice the average nurse wage and I don't have a fraction of their stress. There are lots of jobs out there where you can clock in, do your job and not feel like a shell when you clock out. Seriously, its a mess in the nursing profession, find a new career.
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » Oh look your first post here is blaming Leo Varadkar. You’re username is actually Leo Varadkars partners name. Mate I’ve said it before, that is majorly creepy, you have an unhealthy obsession with Leo Varadkar.
Mad_maxx wrote: » We produced a lot of nurses down the centuries in this country, a lot worked in England, almost everyone has an aunt or mother who was a nurse, my own mother was one aswell as two aunts Veneration of nurses is a sort of sacred Irish tradition
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » It is but don’t underestimate how powerful the unions are and their media buddies.
Mad_maxx wrote: » 37 hours, average salary is 55k per annum not including overtime
byhookorbycrook wrote: » Can you back that up, please with actual facts?https://www.careeraddict.com/top-5-countries-with-the-highest-paid-salaries-for-nurses "The average pay for a Registered Nurse (RN) is €31,112 per year." a far cry from "your media buddy" Ivan Yate's figures of €57,000 per year today.https://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Job=Registered_Nurse_(RN)/Salary
Gringo180 wrote: » So weekly about 500 - 480 after tax. Peanuts.
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » Peanuts? Really? That’s a starting rate. Excluding overtime, shift allowance, pension and a job for life. The public sector have never had it better. But sure keep giving them more and hello, another recession. Will we blame the nurses this time?
Lemonposset wrote: » This is a nurses salary for 2 weeks work. She works in ICU and has 2 post-graduate qualifications. She averages a 36 hr a week shift comprised of 3 x 13hr shifts, these shifts can be day or night, and she works every 2nd weekend. She is about 6 years qualified. Luas drivers make more money & that's not to disparage Luas drivers but this nurse is infinitely more qualified & doing more complex work under more stressful conditions. I work with nurses who would be better off on the dole, they'd have more money & see their families more. Nurses deserve this pay rise so much, and I hope they get it. You can go on about them 'endangering' patients with a strike but the truth is that we've failed them and are endangering patients more by driving them out of Ireland to places where their value is recognised.
Twenty Grand wrote: » No that's the average rate. And it's not much higher than most starting salaries in other professions. If you think that's good you should go on strike yourself.
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » I should go on strike myself? I work for myself. I have no job security. Pension. Union backing. Job for life. Guaranteed wage every week. Lunch and breakfast breaks Etc etc I get on with it, but it seems PS workers need to be breastfed at every point of their lives.
