Lefty Bicek wrote: » But she isn't bringing home 57k, as we have been told. What kind of high-flying, problem-solving, go-getter professional are you, that you can't read properly ?
Lefty Bicek wrote: » Commensurate, surely ? I repeat my previous question...
road_high wrote: » Well duh, can you read yourself?-that’s why I pointed out you’d need close to 100k gross. Which even by some inflated nurses salary probably wouldn’t happen- but I wouldn’t bank on it either.
that’s what most of us in our professions do, see challenges and come up with ideas to solve them.
JohnnyFlash wrote: » The free gaff brigade, the pay rise claims, the growing number of people becoming eligible for the state pension, need for investment in public infrastructure- we are reaching a tipping point when it comes to the State being able to provide everything to everyone who wants it. Might have to give that communism thing a go.
road_high wrote: » Wow we have a genius in our midst. Usually when people can’t address (or don’t want to) the arguments they revert to spell checking or simply trying to denigrate a poster.
why don’t go they go do something else? Even better still do not sign up to it in the first place.
Lefty Bicek wrote: » It's almost compulsory to denigrate this type of nonsense... If only you hadn't come along with the 'those of us in our professions (:o) see challenges and solve problems' drivel...
suicide_circus wrote: » is it the pay or the chaotic conditions which drives irish nurses abroad?
road_high wrote: » You’re pretty typical of anyone that dares question anything re public spending- this is taxpayers money here honey and damn right we should ask a few fetching questions that the likes of you won’t like or ever answer. And of course there should be solutions from nurses-they’re the ones there working and managing at the coal face. In any other normal profession people take personal responsibility and if things aren’t working they analyse them and look for solutions- but it seems with our “saintly nurses” you can’t dare question their performance, ways of working or salaries.
Ush1 wrote: » Six percent is not a particularly high rate of turnover. If working conditions are bad giving you more in your wage packet won't change that.
gctest50 wrote: » What are these mysterious machines ?
n97 mini wrote: » They will. When it's the PS vs the govt the PS always wins. They might not get all they are looking for, but they get more than they currently have. I've several friends and relations working in the health service (and wider PS) and the common issue that's cited is part-time working. Since it was introduced in the PS is has made rostering in some areas very difficult. The health service seems to be the most impacted of all areas.
Mitch Connor wrote: » More pay in the pay packet makes staying in ireland and working in ireland more attactive which means the roles they are looking to fill are filled, rather than seeing the majority of your newly qualified pediatric nurses go to England (as has happened the wife's hospital the last few years). The low pay, particularly for newly qualified nurses, is a big part of the low staffing which is the main part of the conditions problems.
Mitch Connor wrote: » They can't get staff cause the wages are too low, far better money in England for example. Strugglign to bring in foreign staff (a backbone of the sector) for the same reason, many are going to Australia or America where possible cause the money is better. There is a recruitment drive, and loads of positions available, but if your conditions aren't attactive you will struggle to fill the positions. As for Union greed... lol. Nurses are woefully underpaid based on time to qualification, responsibilities and working hours. Nursing is an undervalued public service role.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » The money in UK is less
road_high wrote: » You’re pretty typical of anyone that dares question anything re public spending- this is taxpayers money here honey and damn right we should ask a few fetching questions that the likes of you won’t like or ever answer.
They’re a perfect example of when you get too many females working in one area...
Lefty Bicek wrote: » I am a taxpayer. I am not your 'honey'. I am Mr. Bicek to you. No idea why you would be asking me questions about public spending. As for...https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109074625&postcount=99 What a silly misogynistic oaf you are.
Mitch Connor wrote: » He's partly right - the pyschiatric nurses union is far stronger and gets far more for their members, because (in the opinion of the wife and her colleagues) there are far more male nurses in the psychiatric area.
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » So it’s one out there is no problem retaining or hiring nurses? Why are they lying?
Lefty Bicek wrote: » That's no excuse for making the generalised inference that he did.
weldoninhio wrote: » Greed?? Their argument is that because of the low wages, that nurses are qualifying here and going abroad for a better package leading to nurse shortages. The ones that are here do amazing work. They are doing the opposite of what most public workers did, ask for pay raises and telling the bosses to pay new recruits less. They deserve every penny they get. You could have all the doctors you want, but without nurses, hospitals won't function.
backspin. wrote: » I think they are paid reasonably well as it is. There is a pay agreement in place at the moment anyway.
Mitch Connor wrote: » Not according to the number of new qualified people that moved to Great Ormond Street, for example, in September of last year (when they finished their course).
NSAman wrote: » That is IF they do that. The problem is (and this is from ACTUAL personal experience) they DO NOT do that. 18 years looking after our father at home, washing, cleaning, shaving, feeding him as he was totally incapacitated. Never a bed sore, always happy, always fed. 3 weeks in hospital, 3 bed sores, lost weight and the nurses actually faught us, when we took it in turns to feed him, change him and care for him properly. He was not turned by them, we found out his food was left on the table and no one fed him and he was not washed and left in his own **** for hours on end... yep all nurses are angels... NOT.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Compared to a new entrant nurse in the English NHS, a new entrant nurse in Ireland earns 21 per cent more in basic pay based on current exchange rates. While allowances and promotional opportunities differ across jurisdictions, a nurse at the top of the HSE staff nurse scale would earn 39 per cent more than a nurse at the top of the NHS England B and 5 scale. “More broadly, OECD nursing remuneration data show that, in purchasing power parity terms, Irish nursing pay (including allowances and premium payments) between 2007 and 2017 was consistently on a par with Australia and higher than New Zealand, Canada and the UK,” notes the spending review. It also maintains that 82 per cent of all nurses and midwives are on basic salaries of more than €40,000 exclusive of allowances or premium payments.
