Wheeliebin30 wrote: » They want more money yet they are giving out about conditions and worried about patients safety? Which is it, surely they should want the extra money spent on recruitment if they are giving out about staff shortages? More union greed, where will it end? Another bankrupt country in a few years.
cruizer101 wrote: » I've heard the 55k figure trotted out a few times now and would love to know the source for it. Here is a link to the payscale https://www.inmo.ie/Salary_Information For staff nurse which would make up the majority of nursing staff the highest point on the scale is 45.7k, for the first level of manager the top is 53k. How then is the average figure 55k? I doubt it is an outright lie but it is far from representative of what most are getting. Just for comparison here is a teacher payscale https://www.into.ie/pay/PayScales/ I don't think teachers have a particularly easy job like many do but I think that teachers are paid significantly more seems a bit mad. Both public sector jobs requiring a 4 year degree and to be fair teachers get great holidays. Even if the nurse payscale went some way closer to the teacher one I'm sure they would be happier. People say they know the salary before they start but thats not a reason to underpay someone, taking advantage of their passion for what is a pretty hard job.
Mike9832 wrote: » Should give it to the care assistants eg slaves
TheRiverman wrote: » Someday you might like to have nurses who are well paid and stress free if you are sick in hospital.I'm sure you would like to have the best possible care if you ever become a patient in a hospital ward. The point they are making is under the current pay and working conditions it is extremely hard to recruit new graduates into the HSE,leaving all hospitals short staffed and creating stress and danger to existing staff and also to patients.Extra beds are needed in every hospital in the country,that means more staff.Then there is the appalling situation of the HSE spending millions on agency staff every year.I could go on.
professore wrote: » That's not bad at all for a starting salary.
The laundry room position will still be stuck down at that level several years hence.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » The best healtcare? We are so far from best health are. Have you been in hospital lately?
Topgear on Dave wrote: » I think they deserve it. From a quick skim of the inmo payscale it seems to take about 8 years to get to 40 grand from grad. (Great cash in Cavan/Mayo general, but rubbish trying to live in in Dublin central) If you want to keep keen bright staff in the job ya gotta pay them. And I'd reckon nurses have got lots of options for other jobs to go to. However.... The other unions teachers etc etc will be watching to make claims if the nurses win, so the government will fight it, at least for a while. *Did somebody mention that they do 13 hour shifts and 7 nights in a row too? Isn't that illegal?
hawkelady wrote: » As the title suggests ... do you think the government will give what the inmo is asking for ? The way pascal and Harris is talking it looks like it’s going to be a long drawn out process. Who will buckle first. Btw, I do hope the nurses get what they want and they do a great job.
Jul 29, 2006 A nurse who exhibited "disgraceful" conduct while on duty as the sole nurse responsible for 40 patients at a nursing home must have her name erased from the nursing register, the High Court directed yesterday. It was "fortunate indeed" that none of the residents of Stella Maris Nursing Home at Commer, Tuam, Co Galway had suffered any adverse consequences from Nurse Cliona Finnegan's behaviour and lack of proper nursing care, Mr Justice Brian McGovern said. Her condition on the night in question "could be described as disgraceful" and her conduct fell seriously short of the standards to be expected among a member of the nursing profession. She had offered no proper explanation for her behaviour and he found her guilty of professional misconduct. Mr Justice McGovern was dismissing an appeal by Ms Finnegan, Kileen, Oakpark, Tralee, Co Kerry, who had been employed as a part-time nurse at Stella Maris, against a finding of professional misconduct made against her last February by the Fitness to Practise Committee of An Bord Altranais (Nursing Board). It was alleged Ms Finnegan had remained on duty on a night in August 2002 when she was not in a fit condition, thereby putting patients at risk. The committee upheld claims she caused drugs at the home to be in such disarray as to render it difficult or impossible to determine whether or to what extent they had been administered to patients. The committee also upheld allegations that she had rested or slept part of the time while she was on duty, appeared intoxicated, had a brown stain around her mouth, spoke in an incoherent manner and failed to provide any or any proper nursing care to patients. It rejected her claims that was suffering from a physical or mental disability rendering her unfit to engage in nursing, but recommended her name be struck from the nursing register. Mr Justice McGovern was told there would be two carers and a nurse on duty at night caring for 40 patients. One carer said there were delays in Ms Finnegan administering tablets. One patient had complained there was half a tablet missing but Ms Finnegan said the patient got all her tablets. A carer said that later that night, she went to answer a bell and found Ms Finnegan lying on the floor of a bedroom occupied by a married couple who were patients at the home. She was crying a lot. The judge said Ms Finnegan was found at the office station on the floor. She was put on a chair and was upset. There was a tray of medication scattered on the floor. A carer had described her voice as slurred and she was told she should get some sleep. There was a strong smell from her breath, which smell the carer couldn't identify, and a brown stain around her lips. The judge noted a nurse who had replaced Ms Finnegan as the nurse on duty noticed all the drugs mixed up in what she described as a dangerous fashion on top of the medicine trolley and a brown liquid on the floor of the medicine room. That nurse was so concerned she had phoned the proprietor.
mad muffin wrote: » How much do you put on your life? Your family’s? Loved ones? You want the best healthcare and you want it now, but you don’t think you should pay too much for it? How much is too much? €30K? €60K? €100K? How much did the politicians pay rise pay themselves recently because they think they are doing such a good job? Was the pay restoration not promised to the nurses? Did they get it? Did the politicians get theirs? How much of the current crisis in the health care is the governments fault? How much of it is down to the austerity measures implemented 10 years ago? The pay freeze. The levies and charged? The recruitment ban? All the money spent on agency nurses? Do you want nurses to work 50? 60? Hours per week? Do you want to be treated by someone who’s worked that many hours in a high pressure situation when your life depends on it? Do you even know what’s it like being in nurse in a hospital in Ireland? If they do get their pay rise, they deserve every single cent of it. It’s a pity they have to go on strike for it. What was promised to them. And frankly what they deserve.
gctest50 wrote: » What are these mysterious machines ?
kona wrote: » ...... People who certify and carry out maintenance on machines that carry hundreds sometimes thousands of people. .
gctest50 wrote: » Which other jobs ? Name a few .
kona wrote: » Plenty of other jobs that do similar hours in roles that you wouldn't be too happy to find out were performed under such conditions.......
gctest50 wrote: » Which is lovely n all but being tired like that has the same effect as being under the influence of alcohol
professore wrote: » Why am I paying 3.5k in fees for my daughter then? Your paying admin fees and student levees, same as nurses That's part of their education. Do other pub sector jobs have unpaid placement throughout their degrees. Afaik teachers dont go on placement for the first 3 years of theirs. That's not bad at all for a starting salary. Cue the comparisons with top end 1% Google programmers. Teacher starts at 36k gardai at 29k The laundry room position will still be stuck down at that level several years hence. Nurses max out around 44k after 12 years with no further promotion/education. A teacher retires at 68k which is insane when you look at the holidays they get along with that ( https://www.education.ie/en/Education-Staff/Information/Payroll-Financial-Information/Salary-Scales/Salary-Scales.html )
Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: » Junior Doctors were treated horrendously in fairness. But that seemed like a legacy/anomaly issue when considered within the entire public sector as a whole.
thomasdylan wrote: » AFAIK the last strike in the health service was to reduce duration of working shifts for doctors to a maximum of 24 hours. It was a single day strike like this proposed one where EDs stayed open and emergencies were managed normally.
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