Brexit Discussion Thread VI

road_high wrote: »

Maybe the US, India and Africa will take the rest? I mean they all have such a love for all things British and Britain, they must be dying to take up the slack!

Outside of the EU the big markets are US and China.

Neither will give the UK a fair deal.

Next comes Turkey who MUST follow EU rules.
Then it's car exporting countries who already have a FTA with the EU. And Russia with it's own special niceties.

Without a good deal the UK car industry is screwed.
It will be an uphill battle to keep existing EU terms and conditions And/Or negotiate new deals with countries that comprise 1% or less of their current export market.

And that's before you consider that under WTO rules many UK cars have so many imported parts they aren't even considered 'UK' under the rules.

Also UK exports to former Commonwealth country's haven't increased despite the fall in Sterling.

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

As they say down under "If you want to go to the outback take a Land Rover"

But they also say "If you want to come back take a Landcruiser"

Oz only accounts for less than 2% of UK vehicle exports.
It's just not going to replace the 60%+ that goes to the EU customs union.

Maybe the US, India and Africa will take the rest? I mean they all have such a love for all things British and Britain, they must be dying to take up the slack!

road_high wrote: »

But it’ll be all worth it...Australia and the USA are queuing up to buy more Land Rovers and JCBs

As they say down under "If you want to go to the outback take a Land Rover"

But they also say "If you want to come back take a Landcruiser"

Oz only accounts for less than 2% of UK vehicle exports.
It's just not going to replace the 60%+ that goes to the EU customs union.

_Puma_ wrote: »

The tip of the iceberg.....

https://twitter.com/uk_domain_names/status/1067715341424431106?s=19

But it’ll be all worth it...Australia and the USA are queuing up to buy more Land Rovers and JCBs

_Puma_

The tip of the iceberg.....

https://twitter.com/uk_domain_names/status/1067715341424431106?s=19

road_high wrote: »

Or the welcome to Northern Ireland ones which are frankly even more ridiculous

Right now in Pettigo if you take one road there are signs telling you which county you are in.

Or you can cross the border on another road 200m away with no signs.
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.552095,-7.8330588,3a,87.3y,246.21h,108.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdEK71RUBCgvHb_zcjFnBWg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

fly_agaric

(Assume) it is probably the dictionary definition (the boss, chief bottle washer!) rather than the mad scientist WW2 weapon of that name but it is a bit funny alright given the thread topic. Probably everyone just wants to run for cover and hide from Brexit at this stage.

UsedToWait

ThePanjandrum wrote: »

Why not, it's perfectly possible.

Nody wrote: »

You're a fun one, "Might man the border for phytosanitary purposes". You are fully aware it's a mandatory requirement for any third party border and that would include the NI border. You know what is even more funny though? UK would need to implement the exact same thing on their side because if not any country in the world has the right to import food to UK without any controls exactly as in NI. Think about all that lovely food coming from China without any quality controls; yummy!

That is of course beyond that fact that the report you're using is assuming UK is capable of doing their part of the border checks; seeing how they have a billion euro fine for failure to check imported Chinese goods why in the seven seas do you think EU would trust them this time to do it properly?

I was unaware of the origins of the poster's username, but it seems apt:

At first all went well. Panjandrum rolled into the sea and began to head for the shore, the Brass Hats watching through binoculars from the top of a pebble ridge [...] Then a clamp gave: first one, then two more rockets broke free: Panjandrum began to lurch ominously. It hit a line of small craters in the sand and began to turn to starboard, careering towards Klemantaski, who, viewing events through a telescopic lens, misjudged the distance and continued filming. Hearing the approaching roar he looked up from his viewfinder to see Panjandrum, shedding live rockets in all directions, heading straight for him. As he ran for his life, he glimpsed the assembled admirals and generals diving for cover behind the pebble ridge into barbed-wire entanglements. Panjandrum was now heading back to the sea but crashed on to the sand where it disintegrated in violent explosions, rockets tearing across the beach at great speed.

Given the results of the trial, it is perhaps not surprising that the project was scrapped almost immediately over safety concerns. However, it has since been suggested that the entire project was a hoax devised as part of Operation Fortitude, to convince the Germans that plans were being developed to attack the heavily fortified defences surrounding the Pas-de-Calais rather than the less-defended Normandy coastline.[1]

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Indeed in Northern Ireland . Signs welcoming people to Londonderry and Fáilte go i lár uaidh are constantly defaced and destroyed

Or the welcome to Northern Ireland ones which are frankly even more ridiculous

Nody

rusty the athlete wrote: »

Its a completely new discipline called Quantum Politics.

Nah; it was already instituted by George Orwell and it's known as Doublethink.

“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”

prawnsambo wrote: »

It's also £2.7 billion of uncollected tariffs. The UK has a great reputation for looking after their obligations to other countries already. Will be fun times all round when they start trying to make trade deals all on their lonesome.

Brexit confirmed what a disorganized, untrustworthy bunch their government are. Doesn’t exactly bode well when they dive into the sharks pond of world trade deals.
I think they genuinely thought the non EU world had some kind of teary eyed nostalgia just dying to “ help out” their long lost cousins in the old country

rusty the athlete

prawnsambo wrote: »

Yeah, that's the backstop paradox. Something that simultaneously isn't needed and can't be escaped. Depending on the day of the week or the latest pronouncement from an ERG type.

Its a completely new discipline called Quantum Politics.

Nody

Russman wrote: »

And if even one of these crossing is made “tarriff free”, are there WTO implications for the UK and any other country wanting to send livestock to, say England ?

Well I got this funny feeling that the current 10% checks done from NI to UK mainland for agricultural goods may "temporarily" go up to 100%. They will come down to normal level of course; just now right now... (stated by Tories/Labour as they throw NI under the 350MM to NHS bus).

prawnsambo wrote: »

Yeah, that's the backstop paradox. Something that simultaneously isn't needed and can't be escaped.

Schrodinger's Border?

prawnsambo

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Which means the UK can happily sign up to the Backstop because it won't ever be needed

Yeah, that's the backstop paradox. Something that simultaneously isn't needed and can't be escaped. Depending on the day of the week or the latest pronouncement from an ERG type.

Russman

ThePanjandrum wrote: »

Fine with me, it's not going to be a huge problem as far as I'm concerned unless the EU still wants to slaughter animals that stray over a border.

Otherwise it should be covered by the existing passport system.

And if even one of these crossing is made “tarriff free”, are there WTO implications for the UK and any other country wanting to send livestock to, say England ?

ThePanjandrum wrote: »

Why not, it's perfectly possible.

Which means the UK can happily sign up to the Backstop because it won't ever be needed

fly_agaric wrote: »

Of course the hard Brexiteers are courageous revolutionaries, so what the hell I suppose!
It's not Mogg's or Boris's bum that will be on the line anyway.

From what I can tell there are two types of hard Brexiteer when it comes to the impact on NI:
1. the DUP type who are so afraid of the possibility of becoming more Irish that they'll bite their nose to spite their face.
2. the English Tory type who doesn't give a flying feck about Ireland, north or south, so absolutely doesn't care what happens to those pesky Irish (who really should know their place anyhow).

fly_agaric

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Well given that thousands of British soldiers couldn't defend the border in the past, they're right to consider anything else!

Yes. I don't personally know enough about NI/border area to really predict how bad the backlash might be to any sort of checks/customs related infrastructure reappearing around the border on either the UK or Irish sides.

It is not an experiment I'd like to be making (I don't like juggling with live hand grenades either), and the Irish govt. and the EU seem to agree with that!

Of course the hard Brexiteers are courageous revolutionaries, so what the hell I suppose!
It's not Mogg's or Boris's bum that will be on the line anyway.

lawred2

listermint wrote: »

The EU the EU the EU.

The UK will have to police their own borders buddy. Trade agreements don't just work when one side tries to shrugh off its responsibilities

Your ardent need to place the blame for borders at the EU door is gas

Especially when Brexit was supposed to mean controlling one's own borders

fly_agaric wrote: »

The way things are going such technologies may be needed for the border in future to try and mitigate damage caused by Brexit, but that is another story.

Well given that thousands of British soldiers couldn't defend the border in the past, they're right to consider anything else!

LeinsterDub

Nody wrote: »

You're a fun one, "Might man the border for phytosanitary purposes". You are fully aware it's a mandatory requirement for any third party border and that would include the NI border. You know what is even more funny though? UK would need to implement the exact same thing on their side because if not any country in the world has the right to import food to UK without any controls exactly as in NI. Think about all that lovely food coming from China without any quality controls; yummy!

That is of course beyond that fact that the report you're using is assuming UK is capable of doing their part of the border checks; seeing how they have a billion euro fine for failure to check imported Chinese goods why in the seven seas do you think EU would trust them this time to do it properly?

I'm not sure they are fully aware of anything. Their posts seem to illustrate a profound lack of understanding. Perhaps it's feigned.