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Niro Phev

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Hi all, some great reading in the threads here.
I am considering making the change to fully electric or phev. My work commute is 50 km each way and have access to a charger in public car park at work, however one day each week I travel approx 270-300 km. I haven’t researched charging spots on this route.

The niro phev has caught my eye and I was looking at 6-12 month old ones in the U.K. for £21-22k, from the best I can look up online there would be relief of €2250 on the vrt? Does anyone know if this is correct, would I be eligible for any seai grants?.

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KCross

daheff wrote: »

Anybody know if its possible to preheat the Niro PHEV (when plugged in)?

I asked here and on the UK forum and its apparently not possible but the heated seats are quite good so unless its absolutely freezing you should be OK with those although cabin pre-heating would have been nice.

See Springwells post 27 on this thread.

ELM327

daheff wrote: »

Anybody know if its possible to preheat the Niro PHEV (when plugged in)?

ta

How are people finding it? Had mine about a week now. Have to say I really like it. Found a big difference swapping back to the missus ICE last night when i had to drive it for a while.

It is not possible.

Lossy

daheff wrote: »

Anybody know if its possible to preheat the Niro PHEV (when plugged in)?

ta

How are people finding it? Had mine about a week now. Have to say I really like it. Found a big difference swapping back to the missus ICE last night when i had to drive it for a while.

I'm finding it hard to go swap back to our non-automatic ICE.

As far as I know it cannot be pre-heated but I dont know for sure.

What I do in the Niro PHEV on a cold morning.

1. Let the ICE idle to heat up the cabin (even if im only driving in EV mode).
2. Turn the heat setting down so that the ICE doesnt kick in and use the heated seats and heated steering wheel.
3. Let the ICE idle to heat up the cabin AND turn on the heated seats and heated steering wheel for that extra toasty feeling.
4. Sometimes on cold mornings I just use Hybrid mode first and switch over to EV after a few minutes when the cabin has heated.

daheff

Anybody know if its possible to preheat the Niro PHEV (when plugged in)?

ta

How are people finding it? Had mine about a week now. Have to say I really like it. Found a big difference swapping back to the missus ICE last night when i had to drive it for a while.

KCross

slave1 wrote: »

So guys, the UK's have been around a while now and coming to used market, any more imports and how did ye get on?

I’m in brexit and sterling watch mode. Didn’t pull the trigger on it yet.

Secondhand prices in the Uk went up end of last year due to reduced grant.

slave1

So guys, the UK's have been around a while now and coming to used market, any more imports and how did ye get on?

Shefwedfan

KCross wrote: »

Have you driven one?
I thought it would have more poke, but it’s not bad!

No, didn't drive it.

We spent a long time looking around it in Kia, they only had one PHEV and it would have meant taking down from the show room so we left. It even passed the MIsses test which is haaarrrddddd to pass

KCross

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Nothing else and the Kia is really nice

Have you driven one?
I thought it would have more poke, but it’s not bad!

Shefwedfan

KCross wrote: »

Replace remaining diesel. Keeping Leaf.

Not willing to spend €40k on a long range BEV from Korea and need something that can do long range when needed. Don’t want pure ICE.

That unfortunately leaves PHEV. Unless you good folks have any better ideas?

Nothing else and the Kia is really nice

Mike9832

KCross wrote: »

I have been watching them too. Poor EV range though.

Its not great, EPA range of 22km vs Kia Niro phev range of 46km

It would suit me as I only have a 10km commute to work

New 19 version will have 40km EPA like Kia which is pretty good

KCross

Mike9832 wrote: »

For 25k you'd get a 181 BMW 330e all in

What are they here new 50k?

Some cat too

Almost 300bhp

I have been watching them too. Poor EV range though.

Mike9832

KCross wrote: »

Got a quote for a 191: €31k OTR inc metallic.

181’s in the UK can be bought and VRT’d here for an all-in price of <€25k, so weighing up the options at the moment.

For 25k you'd get a 181 BMW 330e all in

What are they here new 50k?

Some cat too

Almost 300bhp

KCross

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Why PHEV? Is this to replace your electric?

Replace remaining diesel. Keeping Leaf.

Not willing to spend €40k on a long range BEV from Korea and need something that can do long range when needed. Don’t want pure ICE.

That unfortunately leaves PHEV. Unless you good folks have any better ideas?

Shefwedfan

KCross wrote: »

Got a quote for a 191: €31k OTR inc metallic.

181’s in the UK can be bought and VRT’d here for an all-in price of <€25k, so weighing up the options at the moment.

Why PHEV? Is this to replace your electric?

KCross

Got a quote for a 191: €31k OTR inc metallic.

181’s in the UK can be bought and VRT’d here for an all-in price of <€25k, so weighing up the options at the moment.

Springwell

Yes, 51km today on battery going over Wicklow Gap.

ETA: Car has just gone over 18.000km on the clock since pick up in August. I've just done December budget/accounts and €127 was all the fuel that went in it in December. Compared to €90 a week in 2012 Peugeot 3008 before we changed.

KCross

Springwell wrote: »

Get 55-58km from the battery now, not sure how winter will affect that...

Are you still getting 50km+ in EV only mode?

jarrieta

Oh, ok, I was basing my comment in reviews as I have never driven an Ioniq, I guess it is not as bad as some people say then and the Niro has the same system?

unkel

jarrieta wrote: »

One question for the Niro PHEV owners, I guess the Irish model comes with LKAS (no LFA), is it as bad as the Ioniq, doing ping-pong between the lane lines?

Eh?

A few months ago it drove for a good 10-15km for me without me having to touch the steering wheel. It never ping-ponged between the lane lines, although at times it was closer to the left line than I would have driven the car myself. But never on the line and certainly not over it. Also never anywhere near the right line. I was in the overtaking lane all that time though, don't know if that makes a difference. Maybe you didn't set it to the highest active level?

jarrieta

One question for the Niro PHEV owners, I guess the Irish model comes with LKAS (no LFA), is it as bad as the Ioniq, doing ping-pong between the lane lines?

Does it have adaptive cruise control? If it does I guess it is not start-stop, so you have to brake to stop the car before hitting the rear of the car in front and engage it again when going over some speed?

I have not found a definite answer online

Shefwedfan

KCross wrote: »

The cheapest Niro I see on carzone is €25k and thats for a 181.

There is no way they are selling a 182 €30k car for €20k or €22k. My guess is it was a mistake and they removed it.

Its a bloody Ceed which came up on the Niro search :-)

KCross

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Gowan Motors Navajo road, can’t link as on phone...182 20k....now it seems a stock ad but it mentions 22k in ad

Next one up in 25k but still compared to the Rav

Only 1 glass last night......forgot to restock this week .....won’t make that mistake tonight

The cheapest Niro I see on carzone is €25k and thats for a 181.

There is no way they are selling a 182 €30k car for €20k or €22k. My guess is it was a mistake and they removed it.

Shefwedfan

KCross wrote: »

I doubt it. I’d say €25k at least. They are €30k new.

How much wine were you after?

Gowan Motors Navajo road, can’t link as on phone...182 20k....now it seems a stock ad but it mentions 22k in ad

Next one up in 25k but still compared to the Rav

Only 1 glass last night......forgot to restock this week .....won’t make that mistake tonight

KCross

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I noticed the price for the Niro self charging hybrid is extremely cheap, I think I seen a 181 for 20k last night on Carzone....now it was late.....

When you think the rav4 self charging hybrid I am testing cost nearly 40k new

P.S The self charging bit is only a joke

I doubt it. I’d say €25k at least. They are €30k new.

How much wine were you after?

Shefwedfan

I noticed the price for the Niro self charging hybrid is extremely cheap, I think I seen a 181 for 20k last night on Carzone....now it was late.....

When you think the rav4 self charging hybrid I am testing cost nearly 40k new

P.S The self charging bit is only a joke

daheff

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Sorry I know what gmfv means but not sure what diffference it will make? E.g is it better higher or lower?

Depreciation can be figured out using a magic ball....mostly it says unsure

What is going to happen is that electric and PHEV will become more popular and diesel will be pushed out...

Now the question is how to you rate the Leaf due to rapidgate, if they fix the problem in every other car will the Leaf 2 drop like a stone? Personally I don’t think it will but worth considering

I'm thinking higher (%) gmfv the better for 2 reasons

i pay less on monthly pcp repayments-
if car values drop like a stone i can walk away & keep the balloon payment for a deposit on next car.

And higher gmfv means manufacturer is trying to keep resale values up. So may be better equity in it after 3 years.

As i mentioned in an earlier post Niro Phev had (2days ago) a much higher % gmfv- think it was 46% vs 40% on others i looked at=. It made it almost a no brainer.... but they must have spotted it & changed it. Now its a push whether i get hybrid or phev.

Really not sure on the L40. Rapidgate may not effect most, but if the L60 has it fixed it will effect resale of the L40.

Shefwedfan

daheff wrote: »

GMFV = Guaranteed Minimum Future Value .

On a PCP its the balloon payment at the end & minimum the dealer guarantees to give you for the car. I'm using it as a guide for calculating depreciation.

Sorry I know what gmfv means but not sure what diffference it will make? E.g is it better higher or lower?

Depreciation can be figured out using a magic ball....mostly it says unsure

What is going to happen is that electric and PHEV will become more popular and diesel will be pushed out...

Now the question is how to you rate the Leaf due to rapidgate, if they fix the problem in every other car will the Leaf 2 drop like a stone? Personally I don’t think it will but worth considering

daheff

Shefwedfan wrote: »

In regards to your thread Jesus you got a lot of **** advice, seriously the diesel brigade out in force, not an ounce of sense

In regards to GMFV, what exactly does that mean?

GMFV = Guaranteed Minimum Future Value .

On a PCP its the balloon payment at the end & minimum the dealer guarantees to give you for the car. I'm using it as a guide for calculating depreciation.

Shefwedfan

daheff wrote: »

edit- Kia seem to have updated their PCP calculator overnight. Had been offering GMFV of 14,398 yesterday. Today its 12,398

In regards to your thread Jesus you got a lot of **** advice, seriously the diesel brigade out in force, not an ounce of sense

In regards to GMFV, what exactly does that mean?

Springwell

If you can do the majority of your driving within the battery range then PHEVs work well - Niro works for us as we charge at home and work but it can do long journeys without having to charge. For intermediate stuff we have a Zoe.