eagle eye wrote: » Well it might make them responsible!
eagle eye wrote: » You have some cheek to try and put me down as a no voter. Clearly you live in a bubble where anybody who disagrees even slightly with your views is a liar. I won't be responding to you again
Amirani wrote: » You think it's going to make the country a better place by having a plethora of kids born to what you describe as "irresponsible, careless, negligent people"? These are exactly the sort of traits that wouldn't make good parents and would most likely cause problematic childhoods.
nullzero wrote: » This is beginning to sound worryingly like eugenics.
SusieBlue wrote: » You aren’t half jumping the gun. I think it’s reasonable to assume that someone who is careless, irresponsible and who DOES NOT want to have a child probably wouldn’t make a good job of it if they had parenthood forced on them. That has little to do with eugenics and more to do with common sense.
nullzero wrote: » Making decisions about who can have children and why is a central part of the philosophy of eugenics. I don't think we have the right to make such determinations on the behalf of others even if you feel its "common sense". I don't feel women who want to access abortion should be subject to harassment, nor do I feel anyone has the right to determine who is allowed to breed or not.
[Deleted User] wrote: » SusieBlue was not suggesting forced abortions; but arguing against forced pregnancy.
nullzero wrote: » I was quoting somebody else's comment, SusieBlue then quoted me and said I was jumping the gun.
[Deleted User] wrote: » You were quoting SusieBlue.
nullzero wrote: » My original post was posted at 22.27, it's a short scroll up. I was replying to somebody called Amirani.
[Deleted User] wrote: » I see that, you misinterpreted two posts rather than one so. It's quite simple, the posters are arguing that the more irresponsible in society should not be forced to remain pregnant. This is quite the opposite of eugenics.
nullzero wrote: » The post I replied to did have the hallmarks of eugenics I'm afraid. Saying a woman has a right to an abortion is one thing saying that people who are deemed summarily to be irresponsible having children has a detrimental effect on society is well into the arena of eugenics. The issues of the perceived ability of certain people as potential parents and their effect on society is in no way related to a woman choosing to have an abortion. The poster in question was making a statement based upon their own opinions(I would argue prejudices) whilst trying to make a point on an different issue.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Taken out of context, that would appear to be what Amirani's post said. In the context of the discussion at the time, you will see it is the opposite. "Having irresponsible parents might make them more responsible." ETA, that is an argument to denying "irresponsible" women access to abortion.
nullzero wrote: » The thing is saying those things in any context has the same result. Arguing against a daft opinion is one thing but to write what was written is to display an odd logic that while may be coming from a "good place" strays into the arena of eugenics, even if its the furtherest thing from your mind.
The garda who had come across the vehicle told the court that just after midnight he had seen lights on in a parked car. Accompanied by three colleagues, he approached car where he saw a child and one adult in the backseat and two adults in the front of the car. He said that the young child was awake and it was about two degrees outside. The woman told the garda that they had nowhere else to go and were sleeping there for the night. “There were clear signs of drug use in the vehicle,” the garda said. There was burnt tin foil from smoking heroin and ripped plastic bags of tobacco. The accused admitted to smoking heroin earlier in the day and said they were going to smoke it again when we stopped them. “The woman was in the passenger side, her partner was in the driver seat of the vehicle, there was a third male in the back seat of the vehicle beside the child. They [the parents] didn’t know who he was, he had a bag full of needles and I believe he was there to supply them with heroin.” The parents had been planning to sleep in the car, so the garda took him to hospital. On arrival at the hospital, I noted that the child was dirty, his face, hands and clothes were dirty and there was a large cut across his throat. He told the nurse he was hungry and thirsty and was given a yogurt and a drink, he then asked for more food and was given toast. The garda said that the child had been wearing runners that were too small for him, the nurse had trouble putting them back on his feet and his toenails were bruised. The Out of Hours Service was called and the child went into emergency foster care for the night. Although the child’s parents had given false names to the garda on the night they had given the correct name for the child and their names were subsequently found on the child’s hospital records. The garda told the court that at the time he knew the mother was lying but was more concerned about the child’s well-being than arresting the parents. During the care order proceedings, which took place before another judge, the garda told the court that he had followed up the mark on the child’s neck. When the child had been scratching his neck the foster mother had asked him what had happened and she said the child had told her: “My daddy did it with a knife.” The garda had then called out to the house with a specialist child interviewer who had, in the garda’s presence, asked the child what had happened and the child made the same disclosure. The judge granted an interim care order and a guardian was appointed for the child
paw patrol wrote: » irresponsible parent or don't be born ?
gctest50 wrote: » It's not about allowed to breed or not, more about having the option safe,legal n free I couldn't see this crew getting the money together for a trip to the UK :https://www.thejournal.ie/child-abuse-boy-found-in-car-2023567-Apr2015/[/b] .
volchitsa wrote: » Christ, that poor child. And to think some people here think what that woman really needs to to teach her a lesson about responsibility is made to carry another pregnancy to term. Serve her right or something. FFS
Sean.3516 wrote: » New to the thread. Just wondering what people’s views were on the protests that took place outside a GP’s practice in Galway. Should they be able to do it? My take on it is that they should have the right to stand there with their signs to the extent that they aren’t disrupting public order. They’re not being coercive or harrassing anyone. There just voicing opposition to an elective procedure they disagree with on a moral level. There’s nothing unruly about it.
eagle eye wrote: » Just for anybody who think's I was on the other side at some stage. This was my only post on the issue in advance of the vote.https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=107010573&postcount=284 Nobody quoted me and said that I was voting for different laws. It wouldn't have changed my mind anyways because I fully believe that what we have now, and I don't like it, is better than the way things were. I've been thinking about it and I really do believe that any woman having an abortion should have to have a psychological examination before they can get an abortion. Mental health is hugely important and if a person is suffering they can make a decision which they regret for the rest of their lives.
eagle eye wrote: » I've been thinking about it and I really do believe that any woman having an abortion should have to have a psychological examination before they can get an abortion. Mental health is hugely important and if a person is suffering they can make a decision which they regret for the rest of their lives.
NuMarvel wrote: You really don't trust women at all, do you?
eagle eye wrote: » Ah sure just let them do what they want while pregnant. Have you been through a pregnancy with a partner? I have and there were some rough times for her where it was approaching the end if the world in her mind. If you think that's normal behaviour and that they should be allowed to make monumental decisions on their own at those times then there is something wrong with you imo.
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