J Mysterio wrote: » Sky reporting the following from a poll of 'grassroots Tories': 57% No Deal 23 % May Deal 15% Remain 5% No Preference Idiot Andrew Bridgen going on about Project Fear still. Bottomly supporting May Deal.
prawnsambo wrote: » Just for clarity, it was a poll of Tory party members and there are only 125k of them anyway. A subset of a subset of a subset of a subset of voters. And a very particular subset at that.
bilston wrote: » No, the BBC do this on lots of their online content. I think it's so you can watch the content without turning the volume up, so for example you're on a train or bus and you haven't any headphones, but you want to watch a news report then hey presto, you can and not annoy anyone else at the same time.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I genuinely think the UUP would make big gains if it ever came to a head count. The predominance of the DUP is only a fairly recent thing. Of course that would require a leader emerging in the UUP that can lead on the Remain issue. With business and farming interests literally crapping themselves about the ****storm ahead it isn't hard to see tbh.
J Mysterio wrote: » Sky reporting the following from a poll of 'grassroots Tories':57% No Deal 23 % May Deal 15% Remain 5% No Preference Idiot Andrew Bridgen going on about Project Fear still. Bottomly supporting May Deal.
PeadarCo wrote: » That wouldn't surprise me if their was a referendum. However what do the DUP have to lose with their stance? They can come out with whatever statements they want but will they be punished by voter's? If the north's voting patterns remain similar to a tribal headcount why would they change their policy. Business bodies can say whatever they want but politicians won't change unless they feel they will be voted out. In the Brexit situation it's especially true as alot of leavers don't care and or believe the warnings from a whole range of experts in different fields.
FrancieBrady wrote: I think, judging the opinion locally, that if a referendum in the north was called on Leave or Remain that many many unionists would vote Remain. Only diehard DUP unionists would vote Leave imo
10000maniacs wrote: » I see Varadkar is starting to get under the BBC's skin. They are putting subtitles on his recent interviews. I wonder is this just BBC making a little Brexit statement?https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-46751625/brexit-was-a-problem-created-in-the-uk-leo-varadkar
An Ciarraioch wrote: Assuming the Withdrawal Agreement is rejected, is there much likelihood of splits in both the Tories and Labour with the view of forming a centre party that could get an alternative through the Commons? Granted, FPTP works against the idea, but there was a National Coalition in similar circumstances in the Thirties.
PeadarCo wrote: » The thing is for the DUP will there be any consequences for them in the event of no deal? Brexit has split along community lines. If you vote DUP or any unionist party you are not going to suddenly vote for a remain/nationalist party. Look at the rise of the effective DUP/SF collation. Very few of the recent scandals in the North have been about the competence at least in economic terms of a parties ability to govern. Most have been about more emotional issues like flags. Given how the DUP are viewing this as an attempt to bring a united Ireland closer(aided by SF calls for a border poll and not helped by the fact Brexit has brought the issue back to the fore) will there really be serious consequences for the DUP in next set of elections. Unless there's a new party who will disaffected unionist voters vote for ?
trellheim wrote: However if they manage to hold to "No Deal" then they get what they want which is .. the absence of a backstop. ( unstated here is of course the No deal beans and shotguns catastrophe that ensues unless one side or the other blinks )
trellheim wrote: » The usual rhetoric from the DUP .... https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0104/1020256-brexit/ However if they manage to hold to "No Deal" then they get what they want which is .. the absence of a backstop. ( unstated here is of course the No deal beans and shotguns catastrophe that ensues unless one side or the other blinks )
Backstop a 'con trick', says DUP's Wilson The DUP's Brexit spokesman has said "there's not" any way in which his party can support Mrs May's Brexit deal. Sammy Wilson's comments come after the party’s deputy leader Nigel Dodds insisted his party's opposition to Irish border backstop proposals had not lessened after a meeting with Mrs May yesterday. "In fact we're more alarmed about what is coming out from the EU and especially the Irish Government," Mr Wilson said when asked if he was reassured by signals from Brussels.
RobMc59 wrote: » The BBC do that if someone from Newcastle or Sunderland are speaking on tv otherwise the rest of Britain can't understand:)
10000maniacs wrote: » It is very easy to blame the uneducated masses for the Brexit result, but in reality it wasn't their fault. The Brexit referendum was called for the wrong reason, namely to relieve Tory internal political pressure. Referendums are supposed to be a check and balance on the power of a states representatives, to stop them acting against their subjects best interests. They are not supposed to be tools in the hands of the party in power to be used for party political purposes. What surely should have been the correct process was as follows. The Commons would be first required to pass legislation to access Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union on withdrawal from the EU. The government would then be legally prevented from putting this legislation into effect until it had been approved by a binding national referendum. And that binding referendum would be similar to our Lisbon referendum in complexity setting out every legal scenario possible. This would set out well in advance the decision-making procedure for Brexit. In this way, all everyone would be aware of the rules of the game before the question of withdrawal even arises.
boggerman1 wrote: » James O'Brien's show today sums up how f***ed up the British education system is and has lead to an sizable minority of idiots who shouldn't be allowed to vote.when asked to give positives none could.another lad on about Britain's farmers being better off that they should import from Africa all their fruit and vegetables cause its nicer.asked about carbon footprints he asks what's that.the mind boggles
20silkcut wrote: » I think brexit has highlighted this and it is shockingly embarrassing for the English education system. In the last three years large swathes of the British public and political class have displayed a complete absence of understanding of the relationship between Britain and Ireland for the last 200 years.
Zubeneschamali wrote: » Leadership, apparently. Good thread below about the wrongheaded notion the Brits have that everyone else is in need of their leadership, from the Empire to the Commonwealth to Europe and now on to the developing world. Wait, I forgot EFTA, some of them think they should lead that.https://twitter.com/redhistorian/status/1079767307155574789
