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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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EdgeCase

Markcheese wrote: »

Wasn't that one of the given reasons for demolishing everything on Merchants Quay and replacing it with a nice modern shopping centre...
It was a hotch potch of different styles and heights and had become (or deliberately been let ) very rundown,
Now you'd see old pictures of the Quay and (bar a couple of buildings) you'd think pity they hadn't the frontage...

Bear in mind that Cork and to a more extreme level Dublin did not see the quays as usable space for much of the 20th century as the rivers were stomach churningly smelly.

I remember even in the late 90s being in Cork with french people when we were in our teens and they were absolutely in horror at the smell of the river and walking around with scarves over their faces with perfume sprayed on.

It was *very* bad and it had a huge impact on attitudes to the quays. There was no way you could have opened a cafe or a food business due to the odours being so strong. I mean we were treating the river like an open sewer. It's no wonder the council today has so little respect for it as an urban space. Unlike most river side cities on the continent, we really didn't use the waterways or keep them clean until very recently.

It all changed since the main drainage completed and the river is for the first time in decades (if not centuries) is a pleasant environment.

It looks like Merchant's Quay originally intended to have frontage onto the quays or at least doors but they were sealed up to prevent people walking through. All of the units originally had doors onto the quay.

Markcheese

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not tall enough

For what?

[Deleted User]

Markcheese wrote: »

For what?

For a development in the core of the public transport plans.
It is next to the train station, across from the bus station, on the (supposed) light rail line, and the blarney/blackpool line.

That should be a spot where there is all the will in the world for high density.

snotboogie

Deleted User wrote: »

For a development in the core of the public transport plans.
It is next to the train station, across from the bus station, on the (supposed) light rail line, and the blarney/blackpool line.

That should be a spot where there is all the will in the world for high density.

Timing is the issue I'd imagine. There isn't any guarantee of success for the docklands yet and filling 15 + floors of office could be an issue for JCD. The only reason that the Prism proposed such height is due to the unique nature of the site.

marno21

snotboogie wrote: »

Timing is the issue I'd imagine. There isn't any guarantee of success for the docklands yet and filling 15 + floors of office could be an issue for JCD. The only reason that the Prism proposed such height is due to the unique nature of the site.

Indeed. If there were such demand for office space that Penrose Dock would merit 15+ floors then you wouldn't have developments nearby like Andersons Quay and Camden Quay waiting around in limbo

marno21

2 developments into ABP for 2017 Housing Act consultantions the week before Xmas.

273 apartments at Blackrock (modification of this) by Glenveagh Homes
162 residential units (74 houses/88 apartments) at Banduff Road, Banduff, Co. Cork

http://www.pleanala.ie/lists/2018/new/NewCasesWeekending%2021-12-2018.pdf

EDIT: also contains details of an appeal to the proposed Parnell Place hotel

D'Agger

marno21 wrote: »

2 developments into ABP for 2017 Housing Act consultantions the week before Xmas.

273 apartments at Blackrock (modification of this) by Glenveagh Homes
162 residential units (74 houses/88 apartments) at Banduff Road, Banduff, Co. Cork

http://www.pleanala.ie/lists/2018/new/NewCasesWeekending%2021-12-2018.pdf

EDIT: also contains details of an appeal to the proposed Parnell Place hotel

You'll excuse me for not going back and checking myself but the apartments in Blackrock - I assume that's Jacobs Island, given the volume in question?

Shedite27

D'Agger wrote: »

You'll excuse me for not going back and checking myself but the apartments in Blackrock - I assume that's Jacobs Island, given the volume in question?

No it's part of the new Eden development in Blackrock
https://www.lisney.com/new-homes-for-sale/property-for-sale-in-blackrock-crescent-eden-blackrock-cork/19218

snotboogie

Seems like Glenveagh will be going for 500 homes on their Douglas site.

Shedite27

snotboogie wrote: »

Seems like Glenveagh will be going for 500 homes on their Douglas site.

Where's that?

snotboogie

Shedite27 wrote: »

Where's that?

Maryborough Ridge picture of the site in the article here. Irish Times are reporting that construction is to start immediately.

opus

snotboogie wrote: »

I stand over it Merchants Quay, specifically the side facing the Lee, is the ugliest building in Cork.

Have you glanced at the Cork Farm Centre down the road from Victoria Cross recently? It truly is awful!

cena

I was part of building the maldron. we did the bar cafe etc area woodwork.

Has anyone been in it since it open?

whisky_galore

opus wrote: »

Have you glanced at the Cork Farm Centre down the road from Victoria Cross recently? It truly is awful!

They're all up against some strong competition in the ugliness stakes. At least the farm centre isn't slap bang in the city centre which has more than it's fair share of fugly and/or rundown buildings.

questionmark?

whisky_galore wrote: »

They're all up against some strong competition in the ugliness stakes. At least the farm centre isn't slap bang in the city centre which has more than it's fair share of fugly and/or rundown buildings.

Ugly and rundown buildings that must be protected according to An Taisce!

marno21

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/coveney-cautious-on-proposal-for-cork-light-rail-system-895512.html

I normally don't have much negative to say about Simon but I don't see what this is really trying to achieve.

The last thing Cork needs is "caution". Development in Cork has been far too "cautious" for too long.

whisky_galore

questionmark? wrote: »

Ugly and rundown buildings that must be protected according to An Taisce!

There are some decent buildings but obviously the owners aren't arsed maintaining them. Some of them above shop facade level look atrocious, not even bothered giving them a lick of paint to improve the look.

[Deleted User]

cena wrote: »

I was part of building the maldron. we did the bar cafe etc area woodwork.

Has anyone been in it since it open?

I'm there now

Markcheese

whisky_galore wrote: »

There are some decent buildings but obviously the owners aren't arsed maintaining them. Some of them above shop facade level look atrocious, not even bothered giving them a lick of paint to improve the look.

Actually, I just noticed the building that burger King and Claire are in,(old cassidys maybe?) on Patrick Street... Not sure when it was done up, but it looks great.. Really nice paint job,

namloc1980

marno21 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/coveney-cautious-on-proposal-for-cork-light-rail-system-895512.html

I normally don't have much negative to say about Simon but I don't see what this is really trying to achieve.

The last thing Cork needs is "caution". Development in Cork has been far too "cautious" for too long.

Softening us up for the inevitable "Cork doesn't need light rail" decision. No matter what is in the transport plan, by the time the NIMBYs, vested interests, traders and local political hacks have had their say it'll be well and truly watered down.

Mardyke

whisky_galore wrote: »

There are some decent buildings but obviously the owners aren't arsed maintaining them. Some of them above shop facade level look atrocious, not even bothered giving them a lick of paint to improve the look.

Surely, there should be an onus and requirement on the property owners to ensure their properties are kept in good condition. If we and a functioning council I suppose...

cena

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm there now

How is it?

whisky_galore

marno21 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/coveney-cautious-on-proposal-for-cork-light-rail-system-895512.html

I normally don't have much negative to say about Simon but I don't see what this is really trying to achieve.

The last thing Cork needs is "caution". Development in Cork has been far too "cautious" for too long.

Really rather vague noises there. Cork is grinding to a halt under a mass of traffic and well-meaning yet useless drivel is all we get?

whisky_galore

Mardyke wrote: »

Surely, there should be an onus and requirement on the property owners to ensure their properties are kept in good condition. If we and a functioning council I suppose...

I'll bet their own dwelling houses don't have paint peeling off them.

[Deleted User]

cena wrote: »

How is it?

The bar/restaurant is quite small for such a large city centre hotel.
Nice being in a hotel where everything is brand new and no wear and tear though. Everything finished well and nothing gaudy.

Room was functuonal, nothing surprising or disappointing. Except the beds, actually damn comfortable.

Wasn't in *ahem* condition to take too much notice...

Slim Charles

Deleted User wrote: »

The bar/restaurant is quite small for such a large city centre hotel.
Nice being in a hotel where everything is brand new and no wear and tear though. Everything finished well and nothing gaudy.

Room was functuonal, nothing surprising or disappointing. Except the beds, actually damn comfortable.

Wasn't in *ahem* condition to take too much notice...

How much for a pot in the bar ?

EdgeCase

I suppose they have to be very cautious about any major public transit project outside South Dublin and perhaps an even narrower than than, a spectacularly well served corridor of South East Dublin.

I'm from Dublin and I seen that kind of mentality that has served to starve Cork and other cities and even the Northside of Dublin of serious transit system development

I mean you could argue the biggest spend on the Northside of Dublin, the port tunnel, actually conveniently links the southside to the airport.

Cork clearly needs this development and retrofitting it 30 years after the city has clogged in the 2040 would just undermine Cork's development, undermine national carbon emission targets and generally be more of the same lack of planning, lack of forward thinking and seeing transit infrastructure as a band-aid to be added in a reactionary manner when a city has become utterly snarled up.

I will be making my voting decisions in the next general election based on how these projects proceed.

[Deleted User]

Slim Charles wrote: »

How much for a pot in the bar ?

:pac:

P.lane78

I went in there last Sunday ....no bar license yet only wine .....up to electric we went

snotboogie

First crane up at Horgans Quay, two more to follow allegedly