cryptocurrency wrote: » Christy42 wrote: » The UK wanted all the parts it liked without any requirements. It was offered a Canada style deal or a customs union and threw a strop when it didn't get what it wanted. Certainly small details could have been negotiated but the idea of paying the price for the cheap item and getting the expensive item is off the radar for most shops selling you things. Honestly this is all coming from the point that EU should have done something because the UK was never reasonable enough to compromise. May moved in the direction of the EU because her initial stance was ridiculous. If you try and meet half way then the most ridiculous starting position wins. The Canada deal and all the others offered are already negotiated stances that involve the EU giving ground and receiving things in return as a result of past negotiations (for instance with Canada). Asking it to give further ground is ridiculous. Why should they be more willing to give the UK a better deal than Canada? Because it's a much bigger economy, player and on their doorstep....
Christy42 wrote: » The UK wanted all the parts it liked without any requirements. It was offered a Canada style deal or a customs union and threw a strop when it didn't get what it wanted. Certainly small details could have been negotiated but the idea of paying the price for the cheap item and getting the expensive item is off the radar for most shops selling you things. Honestly this is all coming from the point that EU should have done something because the UK was never reasonable enough to compromise. May moved in the direction of the EU because her initial stance was ridiculous. If you try and meet half way then the most ridiculous starting position wins. The Canada deal and all the others offered are already negotiated stances that involve the EU giving ground and receiving things in return as a result of past negotiations (for instance with Canada). Asking it to give further ground is ridiculous. Why should they be more willing to give the UK a better deal than Canada?
Imreoir2 wrote: » Of course there are no storm clouds gathering for the UK at the moment, just plain sailing ahead. Brexit delusion at its finest.
prawnsambo wrote: » And apparently Corbyn thinks May should now return to Brussels and negotiate a new deal to include full customs union. The breathtaking stupidity of these so-called leaders is staggering. Two and a half years later and they are opening their mouths to demonstrate how ignorant they are of the basics. Article 50 needs to be re-written to include a learning clause, so that it can't be triggered until you can actually demonstrate understanding of how it works and the basics of the EU.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Didn't realise there were ongoing talks.https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/theresa-may-to-update-mps-on-brexit-backstop-talks-next-week-v792ddq53?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2rY841otAyJJxqsebbv4Y9tlFfN5HX4SsA_DvH_XhHL5HyDErsPVq9K3U#Echobox=1546432476 Who has she been talking to?
cryptocurrency wrote: » The UK has its own currency, make of that what you will
FrancieBrady wrote: Didn't realise there were ongoing talks.
First Up wrote: » Talking to people on the phone doesn't constitute "talks".
prawnsambo wrote: » Jeremy Hunt anyway. I've come to view these announcements as nothing other than for internal consumption. All the diplomacy seems to be the UK talking to the UK about itself.
cryptocurrency wrote: » If the backstop is now legally temp with a time limit or a unilateral leave option then the EU has folded.
10000maniacs wrote: » I have seen one interview (Channel 4 News I think) where a Brexiteer Tory was quizzed on how a no deal Brexit would work for aviation and JIT medication. He started spouting on about side deals with the EU. So actually you want a deal? Yes!, er…. No.. (cough) A side deal is not really a deal. Channel 4 are the only media outlet who ask hard questions.
10000maniacs wrote: » I have seen one interview (Channel 4 News I think) where a Brexiteer Tory was quizzed on how a no deal Brexit would work for aviation and JIT medication. He started spouting on about side deals with the EU.So actually you want a deal? Yes!, er…. No.. (cough) A side deal is not really a deal.
cryptocurrency wrote: » C4 never ask these questions of brexit supporting economists and just some random MP for Burnley or the like. Can't take C4 seriously at all.
“She has also been very straightforward about this – the EU has agreed the backstop is temporary and that’s a word they have agreed,” said Hunt. “So what we’re saying, very simply, is we’re not asking for anything new but we are asking you to define what temporary means so we can have confidence we’re not going to be trapped in the customs union for ever against the wishes of the British people.”
trellheim wrote: » Well I doubt the EU will open the deal up ; I havent seen anything from Sabine Weyand and Barnier for 4 weeks so the deals not reopened its just flowery language on the menu.
Capt'n Midnight wrote: » And it's worth a lot less against the Dollar or Euro than it used to be. * Great if you want to buy UK assets with hard currency or want to reduce the cost of exports by devaluing - shame exports haven't increased that much considering.
Capt'n Midnight wrote: » * Rubbish if you have UK assets, like a home or pension or job that pays in Sterling or buy foreign stuff like food or holidays or electronics or clothes.
It's all rubbish that they need to get their deal across the line.
Strazdas wrote: » Corbyn has been an utter disaster, alas. He doesn't seem to realise as Opposition leader, he has a duty to offer a radical alternative to what the government are proposing, especially on a deeply divisive issue like Brexit. Instead, he and May are having a battle to decide who can please the Leave voters most.
cryptocurrency wrote: » 10000maniacs wrote: » I have seen one interview (Channel 4 News I think) where a Brexiteer Tory was quizzed on how a no deal Brexit would work for aviation and JIT medication. He started spouting on about side deals with the EU. So actually you want a deal? Yes!, er…. No.. (cough) A side deal is not really a deal. Channel 4 are the only media outlet who ask hard questions. C4 never ask these questions of brexit supporting economists and just some random MP for Burnley or the like. Can't take C4 seriously at all.
First Up wrote: » The EU and Turkey have been in a Customs Unions for more than 20 years. It allows free movement of industrial goods but not of agricultural products. Turkey aligns with EU standards and tariffs for the items covered under the agreement. An EU - UK customs union would be negotiated case by case so the UK would have its input. However any such agreement would have to include the UK aligning with EU standards and tariffs.
Leroy42 wrote: » And therein lies the problem. The UK want everything specially tailored to them, which in a one v one situation I am sure the EU wouldn't have an issue with. The problem is that the deal does not exist in a vacuum. Countries like Turkey, Switzerland and Norway are all watching not to mention the remaining 27 who will now be asked to cover the shortfall in funds . The EU cannot simply give the UK what it wants without serious consequences to the EU. But this is something the UK have completely failed to take account of. Not only are they only concerned about their own issues, I'm not sure they are even aware of the factors driving the Eid position.
