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Brexit Discussion Thread VI

johnnyskeleton

Hi folks, as Theresa May has won the vote of no confidence and we are heading into Brexit day early next year, I thought for the new thread people might give their summary of their views on Brexit to date before we get into the more day to day discussions.

So what do you think about what has happened so far? Who has come off well, who has come off badly?

Where do you think Brexit is going? What is going to be the likely impact on Ireland, Northern Ireland, the rest of the U.K. and the E.U. respectively?

Both this thread and the Mark V thread will remain open simultaneously for the next day or so and Mark V will be closed as it gets closer to the server busting 10,000 mark. Hopefully we can set down a solid foundation now for a top quality thread to come!

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Silent Running wrote: »

No, I think that this kind of poster is needed in this forum. I'm sure some people come here to see what's happening in the Brexit fiasco. When they read the rabid ramblings of this poster, they can see what's behind Brexit and why it has come this far. There really are people out there as deluded as this fella, and there are many. This is why the project hasn't been dumped long ago, or why it was even necessary in the first place.

In fact, I believe Brexit is necessary to put this type of little Englander to bed once and for all. Then a more mature UK can emerge and take it's place in the world again.... if the UK doesn't survive, then England can emerge on it's own.

There are some extremists but there are many who just don't think about politics or societal influences as something which they both influence and can contribute to.

I have a friend working in a company in the UK making parts for car manufacturers. She works in the engineering department and said that she is very surprised at how little Brexit comes up either in work related conversations or in casual chat amongst co-workers.

i suspect that a large portion of the 17M consisted of such people, not really sure what the EU was doing that was so bad but sure the idea of complete independence sounds attractive, why doesn't it. Like a 16 year old wanting to run away from home. They haven't actually stopped to analyse the situation or it's impact.

I suspect this poster is from a much smaller group who focuses on conspiracy theories and extremist publications.

murphaph

downcow wrote: »

That sounds like what ireland might be bribed to do

The whole of NI has been "bribed" since the mid thirties in that case. It hasn't been self sufficient since then.

FrancieBrady

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Scotland had their once in a generation referendum, the result was clear and stood by. Most SNP seats voted leave.

And once out and the UK is fine and as the EU melts the talk next generation will subside.

Not in the slightest bit worried. Always follow through with Referendum results is the golden rule. Spain, Ireland and Denmark could learn from that.

They don't have the courage to follow through on the simple results of the referendum. That is nobody's fault other than the UK's. They are free to leave whenever they want.

cryptocurrency

Silent Running wrote: »

No, I think that this kind of poster is needed in this forum. I'm sure some people come here to see what's happening in the Brexit fiasco. When they read the rabid ramblings of this poster, they can see what's behind Brexit and why it has come this far. There really are people out there as deluded as this fella, and there are many. This is why the project hasn't been dumped long ago, or why it was even necessary in the first place.

In fact, I believe Brexit is necessary to put this type of little Englander to bed once and for all. Then a more mature UK can emerge and take it's place in the world again.... if the UK doesn't survive, then England can emerge on it's own.

sigh,

the wonderful thing about these message boards is that posts like this where they are so sure about themselves are there to be revisited.

Your whole world is about to be shattered. It will happen, it will be good and the EU is toast. We can revisit this, Sierra Nevada All Day IPA is calling.

Silent Running

Midlife wrote: »

Yeah, this tends to be a decent enough forum but these one-line wind up's are pretty sad.

It's a dsicussion forum, not a wind up forum.

No, I think that this kind of poster is needed in this forum. I'm sure some people come here to see what's happening in the Brexit fiasco. When they read the rabid ramblings of this poster, they can see what's behind Brexit and why it has come this far. There really are people out there as deluded as this fella, and there are many. This is why the project hasn't been dumped long ago, or why it was even necessary in the first place.

In fact, I believe Brexit is necessary to put this type of little Englander to bed once and for all. Then a more mature UK can emerge and take it's place in the world again.... if the UK doesn't survive, then England can emerge on it's own.

prawnsambo

cryptocurrency wrote: »

James O'Brien show is setup, they put idiots through and not the real callers who challenge him. He uses the mute button a lot to rant over people once he sees a window to attack. Phone up his show with a stupid brexiteer character and idea next week and bet his team put you straight on and all over twitter. Easy.

But you're coming out with the exact same nonsense that they are. Does that mean you're just a setup too?

cryptocurrency

boggerman1 wrote: »

But if u listen to brexiteers or lbc radio and the loonies who phone in they can trade away on wto terms and the rest.everyone else knows tho is reality but in fantasy land of brexit its all milk and honey with the odd unicorn threw in.plus 3 pin plugs like a guy said on James O'Brien's show.what a win!

James O'Brien show is setup, they put idiots through and not the real callers who challenge him. He uses the mute button a lot to rant over people once he sees a window to attack. Phone up his show with a stupid brexiteer character and idea next week and bet his team put you straight on and all over twitter. Easy.

boggerman1

Peter Flynt wrote: »

On 29th March 2019 the UK will 750+ trade deals with various countries and other economic entities based on its membership of the European Union.

One day later it will have NONE.

So best of luck.

But if u listen to brexiteers or lbc radio and the loonies who phone in they can trade away on wto terms and the rest.everyone else knows tho is reality but in fantasy land of brexit its all milk and honey with the odd unicorn threw in.plus 3 pin plugs like a guy said on James O'Brien's show.what a win!

Midlife

Strazdas wrote: »

I don't mind that Brexiteers are posting here though. It's good to hear the actual opinions of those who are driving the process forward.

Absolutely.

cryptocurrency

Midlife wrote: »

Yeah, this tends to be a decent enough forum but these one-line wind up's are pretty sad.

It's a dsicussion forum, not a wind up forum.

Right, I'm off out now. I find it sad that you see anyone who disagrees with you, hates the EU and has a clear opinion as being on a wind-up. We haven't long left until we find out again that I am right.

As my name suggests, I like Cryptocurrency and if posters here listened and not laughed in 2013 they'd be set up by now. Also, my dislike of the EU is what had me into Crypto in 2012/2013 in the first place.

The pub, good luck.

Strazdas

Midlife wrote: »

Yeah, this tends to be a decent enough forum but these one-line wind up's are pretty sad.

It's a dsicussion forum, not a wind up forum.

I don't mind that Brexiteers are posting here though. It's good to hear the actual opinions of those who are driving the process forward.

Midlife

prawnsambo wrote: »

Yes. 84% in favour of the EU. The Poles are absolutely wavering.

This is becoming low grade trolling at this stage. Fact free and just trying to wind people up. Except this isn't the place for that. Cop yourself on.

Yeah, this tends to be a decent enough forum but these one-line wind up's are pretty sad.

It's a dsicussion forum, not a wind up forum.

cryptocurrency

1st dalkey dalkey wrote: »

A quick google search provided this; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Indian_Navy_ships

It appears they also have one aircraft carrier, but also planes to fly off it.
Their number of active ships comes in at 72 also, according to that article.
It also refers to the arrival of China into Sri Lanka and the subsequent expansion plans of the Indian Navy.

That's my favourite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Indian_Navy_ships#/media/File:Tarangini.jpg

murphaph

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Well both the UK and the US are doing better than the EU at the moment so I agree, great time to look in and watch the EU collapse.

The Poles, I like them, my money is that they are the nation that pushes back next and many do not like the EU over there.

You are living in fantasy land if you think the UK is doing better than the EU at present. Anyway Brexit is coming soon so Poland can sit it out and see how the UK fares before making any hasty decisions.

1st dalkey dalkey

cryptocurrency wrote: »

You are talking fantasy. Trident will certainly happen. I know enough lads in Barrow who are working on the current fleet that know it will. Corbyn will never be PM, you really need to lose that fantasy.
I suggest looking at India's naval fleet in a little more detail. the number 72 is flattering.

Anyways, India should be a strong US/UK ally.

A quick google search provided this; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Indian_Navy_ships

It appears they also have one aircraft carrier, but also planes to fly off it.
Their number of active ships comes in at 72 also, according to that article.
It also refers to the arrival of China into Sri Lanka and the subsequent expansion plans of the Indian Navy.

cryptocurrency

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

What are you going to do when Scotland votes for independence? Deny it? Invade Scotland to keep your precious nukes?

There are no facilities in the UK other than Faslane and Coulport for Trident and the weapons of mass destruction

The UK has been running down her military over the last 10-20 years in order to pay for the vanity of aircraft carriers and the nukes - waste of money

You worded that with such resentment. Let me guess, you have a strong socialist inclination.

cryptocurrency

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

What are you going to do when Scotland votes for independence? Deny it? Invade Scotland to keep your precious nukes?

There are no facilities in the UK other than Faslane and Coulport for Trident and the weapons of mass destruction

The UK has been running down her military over the last 10-20 years in order to pay for the vanity of aircraft carriers and the nukes - waste of money

Scotland had their once in a generation referendum, the result was clear and stood by. Most SNP seats voted leave.

And once out and the UK is fine and as the EU melts the talk next generation will subside.

Not in the slightest bit worried. Always follow through with Referendum results is the golden rule. Spain, Ireland and Denmark could learn from that.

murphaph

cryptocurrency wrote: »

They can't even check trucks for 40 migrants, they will be an absolute disaster.

What are you talking about?

prawnsambo

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Well both the UK and the US are doing better than the EU at the moment so I agree, great time to look in and watch the EU collapse.

The Poles, I like them, my money is that they are the nation that pushes back next and many do not like the EU over there.

Yes. 84% in favour of the EU. The Poles are absolutely wavering.

This is becoming low grade trolling at this stage. Fact free and just trying to wind people up. Except this isn't the place for that. Cop yourself on.

A Dub in Glasgo

cryptocurrency wrote: »

You are talking fantasy. Trident will certainly happen. I know enough lads in Barrow who are working on the current fleet that know it will

What are you going to do when Scotland votes for independence? Deny it? Invade Scotland to keep your precious nukes?

There are no facilities in the UK other than Faslane and Coulport for Trident and the weapons of mass destruction

The UK has been running down her military over the last 10-20 years in order to pay for the vanity of aircraft carriers and the nukes - waste of money

cryptocurrency

murphaph wrote: »

Just bugger off (UK, not you personally) and leave then. I think you lot need a "period of reflection" outside the EU with your mate Trump.

Well both the UK and the US are doing better than the EU at the moment so I agree, great time to look in and watch the EU collapse.

The Poles, I like them, my money is that they are the nation that pushes back next and many do not like the EU over there.

prawnsambo

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Yet it is ok for remainers to ask for NHS money the very next day after the vote or spend claiming the 4 horsemen will most certainly come to the UK on the 30th of march before the date?

Interesting....

Apart from the fact that nobody asked for the money, but questioned the amount, the rest of your post is incomprehensible. For clarity, while you are in the EU, you are in the SM and CU and only spot checks take place.

murphaph

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I stroll into this thread and seems my uncomfortable truths seems to really hurt a few of you about your fantasy of sticking one over the brits and being part of some super club (that's doomed to fail)

You doubled down on the wrong horse.

Just bugger off (UK, not you personally) and leave then. I think you lot need a "period of reflection" outside the EU with your mate Trump.

cryptocurrency

prawnsambo wrote: »

You do realise that it's not the 30th March yet?

Yet it is ok for remainers to ask for NHS money the very next day after the vote or spend claiming the 4 horsemen will most certainly come to the UK on the 30th of march before the date?

Interesting....

prawnsambo

cryptocurrency wrote: »

They can't even check trucks for 40 migrants, they will be an absolute disaster.

You do realise that it's not the 30th March yet?

cryptocurrency

Anthracite wrote: »

Your truths seem to consist mostly of a fleet of imaginary aircraft carriers and super spies.

I don't think anyone is buying your rubbish, Vlad.

If all else fails, call them a Russian bot. Is that where we are at?

cryptocurrency

murphaph wrote: »

These things will not be "blocked". The UK can let all that stuff in with the wave of a hand but the EU will be checking goods (especially foodstuffs) as it enters the single market from a third country. Do you have a problem with this?

They can't even check trucks for 40 migrants, they will be an absolute disaster.

cryptocurrency

RobMc59 wrote: »

I`m not attacking your beliefs but do you really want to rely on Trump?He undermines his own military staff,believing putin over them and makes snap,scary decisions without any rhyme or reason so would have no problem in letting us down.Better to be in a strong NATO(with perhaps more European input) and part of a strong EU which is in our geographical/defensive interest.

Nato is good and more European spending is also good as more of them are a complete shambles militarily.

The UK in the EU with this so-called EU army is a disaster and seems like something the EU have uttered without talking to their bigger friends in NATO. There is under no circumstances, Trump or not, that the US military is into this at all.

Anthracite

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I stroll into this thread and seems my uncomfortable truths seems to really hurt a few of you about your fantasy of sticking one over the brits and being part of some super club (that's doomed to fail)

You doubled down on the wrong horse.

Your truths seem to consist mostly of a fleet of imaginary aircraft carriers and super spies.

I don't think anyone is buying your rubbish, Vlad.

murphaph

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Same sides do not block planes, medicine, boats, cheese for wanting to enact the will of the people to leave their club and just be trading neighbours. They start that carry on they are not friends but the most hostile of enemies.

These things will not be "blocked". The UK can let all that stuff in with the wave of a hand but the EU will be checking goods (especially foodstuffs) as it enters the single market from a third country. Do you have a problem with this?