cryptocurrency wrote: » I stroll into this thread and seems my uncomfortable truths seems to really hurt a few of you about your fantasy of sticking one over the brits and being part of some super club (that's doomed to fail) You doubled down on the wrong horse.
Anthracite wrote: » Surely this can't be right? No proper nation worth its salt would allow a bush-league country to murder its citizens on its own soil without serious retaliation?
cryptocurrency wrote: » Same sides do not block planes, medicine, boats, cheese for wanting to enact the will of the people to leave their club and just be trading neighbours. They start that carry on they are not friends but the most hostile of enemies.
cryptocurrency wrote: » no nation worth its salt would sign the deal with the backstop that holds the UK hostage. All nations need to be able to leave deals unilaterally.
murphaph wrote: » You know that's the way the US, Chinese and Russians (who murdered British citizens on UK soil recently) view the UK, right?
1st dalkey dalkey wrote: » The UK hasn't had a global network in over 50 years. You have one aircraft carrier, but no planes that can fly off it. Trident, if you keep it, will sink your economy. Corbyn will dump it as soon as he gets into no 10. He has other things to spend the money on. He knows you can't afford it, one of the few things he is right about. India, on the other hand, is the second most populous nation on earth, shortly to be the first. It is also a nuclear power and a space power. China's appearance in Sri Lanka has forced them to increase their investment in naval power. They will overtake the UK's 72 ships late next year.
cryptocurrency wrote: » Not scared. I don't think anyone is scared. Wary. I would say London and Washington are wary of letting the EU army every becoming anything more then what it has been...they are like 5th XV Juniors of a premiership team,
cryptocurrency wrote: » That hasn't a hope in hell of happening. The renewal of Trident, all the new aircraft carriers, new standard sub fleet, new frigates, all the new F35Bs...EU/France have invested nowt nor has any solid plans too and India ditto. The UK has a global base network which they have agreed to expand. I actually think this is what this is all about. France has raised a white flag to Brussels to stay relevant and the UK has engineered this all to slip out of the EU and ensure that it continues to make decisions at the top table, both militarily and financially.
cryptocurrency wrote: » That has been debunked 1000s of times
Anthracite wrote: » Idiocy. Nobody is blocking any boats. Extremists in the UK are about to walk the UK into a postion where there is no legal framework for trade. This is not news, or secret - you can learn all about this in the non-UK press.
lawred2 wrote: » ah ffs the EU has been front and centre in its dealings with the UK in order to sign a WA that ensures a transition where nothing gets 'blocked'
prawnsambo wrote: » The surprise emergence of the Baltic states as a top class provider of intelligence has been... surprising. Possibly not, but certainly to me. Have seen them mentioned a number of times by people who would know about these things.
cryptocurrency wrote: » https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2018/09/28/with-historic-first-f-35b-landings-on-hms-queen-elizabeth-the-uk-is-back-in-the-saddle-of-carrier-aviation/ 3 new state of the art aircraft carriers in production and I'm sure more will be added. There is a campaign to get some of the new frigate fleet made in the H&W yard in Belfast which would be a great economic boost to the area. I'm sure you will all support it.
Folkstonian wrote: » Britain has a fairly effective intelligence set up. But so do the French. It’s often attributed to the fact that both as large post-imperial powers had to get good at knowing who was doing what, and what kind of threat they posed to the state in places like Algeria, Northern Ireland etc The Germans used to be ruthlessly efficient but obviously they hit the reset button But importantly we are on the same side these days 99% of the time, sharing information, confronting threats, and not competing.
cryptocurrency wrote: » You can't. You have decades of spending while the UK remains static along with training and operational activity to even try to climb to a level playing field. Even on intelligence, the EU nations are a fairly tin pot with British intelligence being their main source of info.
Folkstonian wrote: » Why lower yourself to that silly poster’s level? You know this isn’t the case.
cryptocurrency wrote: » what are you talking about. They have just bought F35s for this very purpose and have received some of the 140 plus order already. That was what the whole debate about getting ride of the harrier a decade earlier was so controversial. There is an aircraft carrier with F35Bs which has just come back from the Pacific which has been on an exercise. I know someone who got an award for its first bombhead.
Anthracite wrote: » So let me get this straight: you are simultaneously scared of the EU military co-operation, and contemptuous of what they are capable of? What bilge.
Anthracite wrote: » I suppose when logic fails, you can start throwing insults. It's the UKIP playbook.
prawnsambo wrote: » Sorry mate, the UK can't afford to put aircraft on those carriers. They'll make good container ships though.
